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Spare tire solution #1: Collapsible spare

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#1 · (Edited)
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UPDATE: See a short overview of BOTH spare tire solutions here:



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I've gotta have a spare tire. In my 50+ years of driving, I've had a bunch of flat tires, usually in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday and/or holiday.

So I've been researching what might work. I'm going to work on a skinny spare to fit in the trunk where the foam is, but found this surprising solution to use for the time being.

It's a collapsible spare tire. I've had these in several 911's, and have used them at least twice- they work ok.

I found a used one, with the right bolt pattern, the right diameter, and appropriate offset, bought it on ebay, test fit it today, and it works fine. Fits easily over the front brakes.

The offset is 5mm, so that puts the center of the tire one inch further out. But since the wheel is 2 inches narrower than our stock wheels, that actually puts the outside of the spare tire in about exactly the same place as the oem tire.

It actually fits perfectly behind the passenger seat. It's about 6.5" wide and 22" diameter when collapsed. I've ordered a vinyl tire cover from Amazon that should fit and protect the seats from scuffing.

So here's the funny part: It's a spare tire from a Maserati.

There are a ton of them on ebay.

MAKE SURE YOU GET AN 18" ONE, I HAVEN'T TESTED THE 17" ONES.


The 175/55-18 size is the same diameter as our oem tire, and has the same 95 load rating.

If you want one, my advice is to look at the photos very carefully. Ideally you want one that has never been used, so it should still have the little nubbies on the tread. Also, look at the date code- that's a 4 digit code on all tires- the first two digits is the week, the second two digits is the year. For example, 0819 means the 8th week of 2019. If you can't see that on the photos, ask the seller.

(The newer the better, I think, although I've used a twenty year old one on a Porsche successfully.)
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#2 ·
This wheel won't work with the oem flat-style wheel nuts- you need tapered seat lug nuts- the ones from my aftermarket Enkei TS10's work fine.

And of course, you'll also need to pick up a jack and lug wrench. (Oem and aftermarket wheels often use different size sockets, make sure you have the right one(s) in the car for all the wheels you use.
 
#7 ·
This wheel won't work with the oem flat-style wheel nuts- you need tapered seat lug nuts- the ones from my aftermarket Enkei TS10's work fine.
Do the stock nuts on the GRC not have the tapered ends like every other Toyota nut I've encountered? They look goofy on a steelie with the flat seat sitting out there in no mans land but they work perfectly well.
 
#6 ·
FYI here are two other solutions- I don’t have any experience with either. I think 135/70-18 would be a better match to the oem diameter than the 125/70-18. I suspect they could substitute the larger tire if you asked.
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I've gotta have a spare tire. In my 50+ years of driving, I've had a bunch of flat tires, usually in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday and/or holiday.

So I've been researching what might work. I'm going to work on a skinny spare to fit in the trunk where the foam is, but found this surprising solution to use for the time being.

It's a collapsible spare tire. I've had these in several 911's, and have used them at least twice- they work ok.

I found a used one, with the right bolt pattern, the right diameter, and appropriate offset, bought it on ebay, test fit it today, and it works fine. Fits easily over the front brakes.

The offset is 5mm, so that puts the center of the tire one inch further out. But since the wheel is 2 inches narrower than our stock wheels, that actually puts the outside of the spare tire in about exactly the same place as the oem tire.

It actually fits perfectly behind the passenger seat. It's about 6.5" wide and 22" diameter when collapsed. I've ordered a vinyl tire cover from Amazon that should fit and protect the seats from scuffing.

So here's the funny part: It's a spare tire from a Maserati.

There are a ton of them on ebay.


The 175/55-18 size is the same diameter as our oem tire, and has the same 95 load rating.

If you want one, my advice is to look at the photos very carefully. Ideally you want one that has never been used, so it should still have the little nubbies on the tread. Also, look at the date code- that's a 4 digit code on all tires- the first two digits is the week, the second two digits is the year. For example, 0819 means the 8th week of 2019. If you can't see that on the photos, ask the seller.

(The newer the better, I think, although I've used a twenty year old one on a Porsche successfully.)
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#12 ·
Just to be clear, if you had to drive any distance, I‘d recommend putting any non-fullsize spare on the rear, where there is less weight to support and less work for the tire to do.

In other words, if you had a flat front tire, first you’d put the spare on the rear, then you’d put that rear tire on the front.
 
#15 ·
I'll add to this that if anybody is looking for an OEM jack and tool kit, it's exactly the same as the CHR, which are fairly plentiful used. I just scored a complete set off eBay in mint condition for $50. Most of the late model Corollas it's optional just like on the GRC, so you'll have a hard time finding them searching there. And the older Corollas that came with a jack, come with a different jack handle which won't fit in the spot in the back of the GRC.
 
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I've gotta have a spare tire. In my 50+ years of driving, I've had a bunch of flat tires, usually in the middle of nowhere on a Sunday and/or holiday.

So I've been researching what might work. I'm going to work on a skinny spare to fit in the trunk where the foam is, but found this surprising solution to use for the time being.

It's a collapsible spare tire. I've had these in several 911's, and have used them at least twice- they work ok.

I found a used one, with the right bolt pattern, the right diameter, and appropriate offset, bought it on ebay, test fit it today, and it works fine. Fits easily over the front brakes.

The offset is 5mm, so that puts the center of the tire one inch further out. But since the wheel is 2 inches narrower than our stock wheels, that actually puts the outside of the spare tire in about exactly the same place as the oem tire.

It actually fits perfectly behind the passenger seat. It's about 6.5" wide and 22" diameter when collapsed. I've ordered a vinyl tire cover from Amazon that should fit and protect the seats from scuffing.

So here's the funny part: It's a spare tire from a Maserati.

There are a ton of them on ebay.


The 175/55-18 size is the same diameter as our oem tire, and has the same 95 load rating.

If you want one, my advice is to look at the photos very carefully. Ideally you want one that has never been used, so it should still have the little nubbies on the tread. Also, look at the date code- that's a 4 digit code on all tires- the first two digits is the week, the second two digits is the year. For example, 0819 means the 8th week of 2019. If you can't see that on the photos, ask the seller.

(The newer the better, I think, although I've used a twenty year old one on a Porsche successfully.)
Thank you for mentioning this option, @centerpunch! I got one of those tires!

I'll add to this that if anybody is looking for an OEM jack and tool kit, it's exactly the same as the CHR, which are fairly plentiful used. I just scored a complete set off eBay in mint condition for $50. Most of the late model Corollas it's optional just like on the GRC, so you'll have a hard time finding them searching there. And the older Corollas that came with a jack, come with a different jack handle which won't fit in the spot in the back of the GRC.
And also, thank you for the information about C-HR jack kit, @ijuswannaride! I got the kit too!

I had a trial today, and they worked as expected. It took about 5 min and half for the OEM compressor to inflate the collapsible tire to 40psi. (The owner's manual only tells to connect the sealant can to the compressor and then the hose to the can. But I found the hose can be connected directly to the compressor, to my relief.) And the deflation took approx. 4 min to the collapsed form. Now my GRC and I are ready for road trips.

 
#26 · (Edited)
Thank you for mentioning this option, @centerpunch! I got one of those tires!
Here’s the cover I bought, fits great. (22 to 24” version)

Probably a good addition to protect your seats.

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#25 ·
I just looked, the "Tire Repair Kit" is $207.30.

Anyone know if the regular Corolla jack stand kit fits in GRC foam?
I looked into this a bit. The late model Corollas come with a tub of goo just like the GRC. Jack and toolkit are optional. The previous gen Corolla that came with that stuff standard used a different jack handle that won't fit in your storage space. Hence my comment about the CHR kit. It all fits.
 
#32 · (Edited)
The next step for the spare tire, can we make it fit under the cargo floor? I took a look today. The Ghilbli collapsible spare is almost 7" wide, and the rim sticks out both sides, so it will need some sort of foam to protect the trunk and rim. It should have a hub ring to take it down to 60mm also
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Even with the collapsed diameter, this is a big wheel, but it fits behind the chassis brace and between the battery and the side trim with some wiggle room. I'd like to mount it upside down, but the trunk floor is domed and the spokes stick out, so it fits lowest spokes up. The battery sits in a recess, so you can't just slide it over.
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If you slap the cargo floor in at this point, it is the same height at the seatback, but due to the transverse brace behind the battery the tire tilts up at the rear and your rigid cargo floor board will be about 1-1/2" higher at the rear than it was.
So, the brace is going to be the issue, as we knew from the first pics. I was thinking that if we section the brace where the rim hits on either side and welded in sheet metal to keep the strength, you could lower the rear of the wheel enough to make it work with an only slightly higher cargo floor. (yes there is the BFH metal working option as well, you might get it beat down enough, but it's your car ,you do you)
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On the left side there's a high point that is a bit higher than the rest of the trunk floor, that's probably a good hammering option. Ideally you'd weld or rivet in a threaded bung in the center to add a hold down bolt. Then cut out a big circle in the foam battery cover for the spare.

Speaking of the foam, there's a bunch of wasted space under that thing, there could a better solution for supporting the cargo floor, with more room for stuff.

So, some amount of work, but it's possible. Of course there may be a better option with a different spare that was not so wide, but this reduced diameter one allows it to sit next to the battery.

For now it's sitting in the back until I decide. Long term it should be bolted or cabled to something stout, you don't want a missile in the back if you have an accident.
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#33 · (Edited)
The next step for the spare tire, can we make it fit under the cargo floor? I took a look today.

It should have a hub ring to take it down to 60mm also (I have three extras, PM me if you have a Ghibli wheel)

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I could use a hub ring, I’ll message you.

Have you inflated that tire? The tire doesn’t look seated on the bead to me-that can happen to these when they get old. Make sure your little pump will inflate it.

This was just a quick temporary solution for me. I’m now working on a 135/70-18 donut spare, which I think may fit where the foam is and be about the same height.

It’s a tight fit, but I crammed a full size 245/40-18 into the space, seems like there would be room for a narrower tire (like a 135/70-18). Might want to modify the battery hold down bracket, seems like that could free up about an inch of width.
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#35 ·
FYI I also found a different spare tire solution using a donut spare that fits in the trunk, see it here:

 
#36 ·
For folks just finding this, it's better to go to my new thread- it details both spare tire solutions in a single post.

 
#37 ·
Does anyone know if there is a different OEM foam insert that has a place for a compact spare as mentioned above, I don't see the point of having placeholders for jack and tire iron if you don't have a spare. I'm saying this because If you destroy your sidewall most likely you'll have to have it towed. and wait a few days for ties to come in. which makes it a pain especially during the work week.
 
#38 · (Edited)
Does anyone know if there is a different OEM foam insert that has a place for a compact spare as mentioned above.
The foam is very easy to cut to fit the spare tire- see the video in the "spare tire #2" link in my signature.

And for what it's worth, the GR foam insert is not a cheap part.
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