+1 on Endless SSM+, same as oem performance for heavy canyon use. This is a pic of the front wheel after 50+ miles of hard canyon driving. Virtually dustless.

 

Good to know! I ended up ordering the ISWEEP 1500, because the Endless pads were a few months out. I'll probably get some Endless SSM+ or MX72 down the road though.

 

Ceramic coat the wheels and calipers, dust will stick less and hose right off.

 

Fun fact, you can recycle your brake dust by packing it into some brake shaped molds then microwaving it on high for 5 minutes. If you collect enough of your brake dust, you'll never have to buy new brakes again! The fact that you're seeing so much brake dust is a feature, not a bug. Toyota engineers optimized the calipers and wheels for brake dust collection for you to do this very thing!

 

 

I’ve been running the Endless for a few months. Stops just as good as stock and WAY less brake dust. Little pricey, but I’m happy with them.

 

After a week and a half, Im convinced these pads are a must for anyone with light colored wheels.

At this point I perceive no difference in braking, and the brake dust is cut down so much.

This is after a week and a half, including a couple of days where I drove in the rain. With the stock pads the wheels would look horrible after 4 or 5 days.

Definitely recommend the Endless SSM plus pads.

 

I have had the Endless SSM Plus pads installed for a couple hundred miles no with pretty much no dust in comparison to the stock pads. Initial bite might be a touch weaker but modulation is great and overall power is at least the same. I reused the stock backing plate and put anti seize on the plate where the pistons meet it and I have zero noise. 10/10 from me.

 

I have had the Endless SSM Plus pads installed for a couple hundred miles no with pretty much no dust in comparison to the stock pads. Initial bite might be a touch weaker but modulation is great and overall power is at least the same. I reused the stock backing plate and put anti seize on the plate where the pistons meet it and I have zero noise. 10/10 from me.

That's great and Zero noise as well !! Do you have a part # for the Endless SSM Plus pads you used? And do they come in a kit for both front and back together?

 

Heard good things about how little dust the Endless SSM PLUS pads produce. Supposedly performance is comparable to stock pads as well. Labeled a "spirited" street pad.
Hopefully will slap them on this weekend and do a dust comparison vs the stock pads and if there is a noticeable difference (positive or negative) in braking performance compared to the stock pads as well. The titanium shims were a bit of an impulse buy. 🤷🏻

 

How is this setup still doing for you? I was between the SSM+ and the MX72 pads.. I went with the SSM+. I'm sure either will be better than stock pads with Endless quality...

 

Yea it's the nature of the beast. Sport pads will dust. You can get commuter pads with little to no dust but you'd be trading performance and braking power for keeping your wheels clean. I just leave my wheels dusty.

 

I guess that's why they made the wheels black, lol. I've already gotten used to it. I hose the brake dust off once a week.

 

Brake dust sucks. Had big time issue on my BMW 135i...As mentioned above Ceramic Coat the rims and caliper and although it did not take all the dust off I always used my..leaf blower to daily blow out the brake dust.. Worked great...The blower also worked great as well when you wish the car to get excess water of before you dry..man, the leaf blower is used so much around my house living in the woods its been fine tool.

 

This may sound stupid, but I’ve considered either buying a new set of wheels, or blasting and powder coating the factory wheels a bronze color that is more the color of the brake dust haha. I think they would also be a decent color match with the supersonic red… Tell me I’m crazy and save me some money please.

 

Absolutely NOT! lol, BRONZE would look sooo freaking good against the red. There is a Tacoma in my neighborhood red, close to supersonic and he is rocking the bronze TRD wheels. Man does it look great. And I do agree that they would probably hide the brake dust better.

 

Ebc blue stuff did amazing at barbers hardly any fade while braking as late as possible. Also way less dust highly recommend.

 

now we just need one of these grc specific shops in the US to start stocking them for us

 

Just ordered some Endless SSM plus pads and ACRE titanium brake shims to hopefully significantly reduce brake dust while not sacrificing much performance. Both front and rears is only $211 if ordered from Blackhawk Japan. Shipping to the states was an additional $64. They also sell the ACRE titanium GRY brake shims for $113, which is a bit pricey, but doesnt add much weight when shipped with the Endless brake pads and only added $2 to the shipping. So total shipping for the pads and shims was $66.

The price of the Endless pads even with the $65 shipping charges at $276 is a damn good deal though. If i were to order just the ACRE shims it would have been $113 + $18 for shipping, or if i were to order the other shims from lamspeed, it rould have been $80+$55 for shipping, so basically about $130 USD shipped for either set.

Really only worth getting the shims on Blackhawk if you order some pads as well to save on shipping.

Based on reviews ive read, the dust for the SSM plus pads is significantly reduced from stock on other makes and models.

This is the description (from the Endless website) along with ratings of initial braking, less dust, less noise, feel of pedal, abrasion resistance, and contrallability. These pads graded best in less dust, abrasion resistance, and controllability. Not listed as a track pad, but listed as a street pad for streetuse and windy roads (which is where i will be doing most of the driving anyways). Probably fine to use for occasional track use. Ill do some performance comparisons (along with dust producing conparisons) with the stock pads (as those seem to be fine for occasional track use).

If I feel as performance did not suffer from the brake pad switch, then ill use these for the occasional track days. But if I feel performance was sacrificed for less dust when compared to the stock pads, ill simply just swap back out to stock pads when going to the track.

ENDLESS OFFICIAL WEB SITE

 

Are the OEM shims not compatible?

 

With a few hundred miles on mine now, I can say with great confidence that the ordinary road dust is now worse than the brake dust. Totally worth the time and money to install these pads. Stopping power is not compromised at all. I can't speak to how they'd stand up to the extreme heat of track duty, but for hard road use, they're excellent.

 

Did you have to get your rotors resurfaced or did you just replace the pads alone with no issues?

 

I understand why the brakes make so much dust, and my car is a daily, not a garage Queen. I bought the car to drive and enjoy, not to stare at. I won’t be ceramic coating or PPF any part on the car.

That said, when i do wash her up i rather the wheels look nice for longer than backing out of my driveway haha. After the whole car is a little dirty it doesn’t bother me, but that timeframe while the car is clean and the wheels look rough makes it seem like i don’t care enough or just forgot to wash the wheels.

I may consider swapping to non PP brake calipers as well if i actually do something with the wheels. The red is just as much to blame as the gloss black wheels for looking grungy in short order.

 

Not sure if any of you have tried this option for reducing dust yet. We have a batch coming from japan in 6-8 weeks. If you would like a set to try, give it an order at the link below! There's special pricing of $555 for both front and rear pads currently.

Endless GR Corolla Super Street M-Sports PLUS Brake Pads (Minimal Brake Dust)
The SS-M PLUS is produced specifically for the everyday street driver with balanced performance, increased life, low noise level and high levels of brake feel without the typical high levels of dust. From sports cars to high class sedans, SS-M PLUS fulfills the needs of a wide range of users. If you need a high performance street compound with low dust as the priority SS-M PLUS is for you!

Available here:
Endless GR Corolla Super Street M-Sports PLUS Brake Pads (Minimal Brak

 

Not sure if any of you have tried this option for reducing dust yet. We have a batch coming from japan in 6-8 weeks. If you would like a set to try, give it an order at the link below! There's special pricing of $555 for both front and rear pads currently.

Endless GR Corolla Super Street M-Sports PLUS Brake Pads (Minimal Brake Dust)
The SS-M PLUS is produced specifically for the everyday street driver with balanced performance, increased life, low noise level and high levels of brake feel without the typical high levels of dust. From sports cars to high class sedans, SS-M PLUS fulfills the needs of a wide range of users. If you need a high performance street compound with low dust as the priority SS-M PLUS is for you!

Available here:
Endless GR Corolla Super Street M-Sports PLUS Brake Pads (Minimal Brak

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Has that batch arrived or are they all gone already?

 

Gazooing...at 50 miles they look very clean compared to my rims at 5 miles...At what miles do they start to show dust ?

 

I finally washed my wheels the other day…. I forgot that it was suppose to be jet black, rather than mocha color.

 

Those still looking into Endless, I just threw on some MX72 pads a few weeks ago to prep the GRC for Laguna track days this summer; here's some initial thoughts after break-in:

Moderate increase in performance over OEM. Noticeably more progressive, no weird initial "bite" like you would get with the stock pads. Stopping power is strong even when cold; easier to modulate than OEM when you really start digging in. Dust levels seem comparable to the stock pads as far as I can tell, so for those concerned more about clean rims than performance - there are better options that will compromise between braking performance/dust. I'll just wash my car.

Additionally - I was pleasantly surprised by how quiet the pads are, definitely had more squeaks going on w/ the OEM set. Would recommend for those splitting their time between dailying and occasional track days. Or if you're looking for something a bit more aggressive than stock and wanna feel more WRC by running Endless pads on your car 😉

Hope this info helps out!

 

Those still looking into Endless, I just threw on some MX72 pads a few weeks ago to prep the GRC for Laguna track days this summer; here's some initial thoughts after break-in:

Moderate increase in performance over OEM. Noticeably more progressive, no weird initial "bite" like you would get with the stock pads. Stopping power is strong even when cold; easier to modulate than OEM when you really start digging in. Dust levels seem comparable to the stock pads as far as I can tell, so for those concerned more about clean rims than performance - there are better options that will compromise between braking performance/dust. I'll just wash my car.

Additionally - I was pleasantly surprised by how quiet the pads are, definitely had more squeaks going on w/ the OEM set. Would recommend for those splitting their time between dailying and occasional track days. Or if you're looking for something a bit more aggressive than stock and wanna feel more WRC by running Endless pads on your car 😉

Hope this info helps out!

A bit disappointed to hear about the dusting, but it is what it is. I already got a set.

 

Ordered myself a set of SSM Plus pads from Black Hawk Japan on 5/31 shipped on 6/22 and received them today 6/24. Was supposed to get them yesterday but my UPS guy only delivered the packages with my business name as the receiver and not the one with my name. Really surprised how quickly they got here, I did not ask for any kind of express shipping so that was nice. They quoted me about 1 month for manufacturing and then shipping after that. Got here in less than 30 days so definitely on the faster side of the estimate. Pads were $204 shipping was $94 and "UPS Saver" was the option selected and for about $300 I'm happy considering stateside dealers are $500-$600. Will hopefully get these installed in the next month or so, have a new set of wheels that need mounting and balancing and will probably have it all done at the same time.

 

About 500 miles on Endless MX72 pads (a more track oriented pad but not full track pad), and the dusting is definitely better than stock pads. The pads do still dust, but at a much reduced rate. I'd say they have a third of the dust stock pads do. If you wash your car twice a month, I'd say this is pretty acceptable.

Here's a picture of how they look. It's also been raining, so it looks worse on the wheel than it actually is. Note how much is on the caliper. I think most of this would wash off easily.

 

Now that we're getting a handle on which pads can minimize brake dust/retain performance, can we start a "Door Jamb Dust" thread and see what can be done there .

I washed my car yesterday and I swear the door jambs were about as bad as the brake dust on the wheels. Somehow much dirtier than the a-surfaces of the body.

 

My door jams and rocker areas are embarassingly filthy after all the dust and rain.

 

Standard ops for good brakes. I’m the polar opposite. I’d be concerned if there wasn’t a lot of brake dust. I mean how ungrateful. Toyota equips the car with larger rotors and calipers than I think even the Supra gets (IIRC) yet people complain. Wow, we are lucky we get this car at all. Don’t like brake dust then don’t buy the car and get a CUV instead.

Pretty easy to manage. Clean car and wheels. While wheels are wet, apply Armor All Wheel Protectant or a similar product from another mfr. Follow the instructions on the can. Very easy to manage and clean. You could always acquire some regular Corolla hatchback brakes and decrease your braking performance. That will certainly be much less brake dust.

 

Yea I find it weird that people buy performance cars and complain about brake dust and noise. Like those fancy lap times and numbers are the reason that led them to buy the car right? Brakes made that happen. Now that they have it in hand, they complain about it. I don’t think I’ve ever complained about dust. I welcome it because I know those are good pads. Wheels, I don’t even wash any more. A dusty ass wheel to me is a badge of honor for track folks. If I’m at a C&C and I see a car with some dusty ass wheels, I know the owner is of the same mindset as me. And they’re cool in my book.

 

I really do not think folks want weaker brakes....only that brake dust is a paint to deal with...Interrsting that the brake dust is bronze in color,,,,I have only dealt with dark grey or black dust on my cars.Had Advan Gunmetal rims on my last 2 cars and the brake dust was not to visible but for sure dulled the finish...The leaf blower took care of most in between washes...

 

I really do not think folks want weaker brakes....only that brake dust is a pain to deal with...Interrsting that the brake dust is bronze in color,,,,I have only dealt with dark grey or black dust on my cars.Had Advan Gunmetal rims on my last 2 cars and the brake dust was not to visible but for sure dulled the finish...The leaf blower took care of most in between washes...

 

I see Carbotech offers 1521 compound pads for GRC. Over $400 for both axles. I mention because I have a set of these on my 86 and they literally don't dust at all.

Unfortunately they squeal when they get hot. Sometimes even just warm. Lots of people swear by them so I'd love to hear how they do for people with GRC. I'm not a big fan of the very gentle initial bite but otherwise very linear modulation. They seem not to wear the rotor almost at all and both will last approximately infinity miles they way it's looking. I guess all energy is turning into heat and.. sound.

I am also a big fan of Akebono OEM pad material. I think GRC's dusts a lot because there is a ton of pad area compared to typical applications of this material. If I could find pads with this compound to fit my 86's calipers I'd buy a set in a heartbeat. Dust be damned.

 

the ACRE are 0.75mm thick, about .031"

 

Your numbers are a little off there. 3/4 of a millimeter is not .031", it's only 0.0295. One or the other might be correct, but not both.