[kraize]

I30N is ugggglllyyy. Considering Hyundai made the Ioniq 5 and the N Vision 74, why are all current N cars so ugly?!
1. Grill is god awful
2. I can't stand the red with that shade of blue
3. FWD. IMO, no fwd is a contender for a sports car except for the CTR.
4. Too much front tire wear on FWD "sports" cars. They're not meant to handle that much HP.
5. I don't trust Hyundai ICE (not yet anyway)

I wish the AMG A45s came to the US. Or the GRY.

I've been on and off about buying the GRC, but one drive in an Elantra N made me not want one. I'd still probably get an Ioniq 5 if I wanted an EV though.

 

[Tronic]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the i30N is a way better looking car, probably because I'm just that bit older at 54 and its obviously it has a very Euro look. The i30N looks a lot like the A45S so no idea how you think the GRC is a better looking car. Toyota should have made a whole new car, they took an existing econobox to save money and put AWD on it. The A45S would have been a contender for me if they made a manual and took a load of fat out of it but its twice the price ($62K vs $124K)of the i30N here. The A45S is all about the badge and there are still more things I hate about it than an i30N.

Chatted to my neighbor yesterday, he is a mechanic and does general servicing of every car out there and he raved about Hyundai and he came out with what I said a week ago on here, the Koreans have come a long way in the last few years and guess what he owns a Hyundai.

Tire wear, who cares its a consumable part along with the brake pads. Those forged 19inch alloys would look good with the P4S or even some cup 2 tires fitted.

The i30N comes in 7 colours not 3.

You need to do some research on the E-Diff mate, its changed the FWD car, why do you think the Type R is so good ?

 

[GR Sloan]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the i30N is a way better looking car, probably because I'm just that bit older at 54 and its obviously it has a very Euro look. The i30N looks a lot like the A45S so no idea how you think the GRC is a better looking car. Toyota should have made a whole new car, they took an existing econobox to save money and put AWD on it. The A45S would have been a contender for me if they made a manual and took a load of fat out of it but its twice the price ($62K vs $124K)of the i30N here. The A45S is all about the badge and there are still more things I hate about it than an i30N.

Chatted to my neighbor yesterday, he is a mechanic and does general servicing of every car out there and he raved about Hyundai and he came out with what I said a week ago on here, the Koreans have come a long way in the last few years and guess what he owns a Hyundai.

Tire wear, who cares its a consumable part along with the brake pads. Those forged 19inch alloys would look good with the P4S or even some cup 2 tires fitted.

The i30N comes in 7 colours not 3.

You need to do some research on the E-Diff mate, its changed the FWD car, why do you think the Type R is so good ?

Tronic my New Zealand friend, you and Hyundai keep getting attacked mostly from the Yanks, who you need to realize are "Toyota Fan Boys."
I'm not a fan boy for any Brand, I enjoy good, exciting sports cars no matter who manufactures them.
Personal experience from Ford, Porsche, Subaru, VW, Hyundai, Honda, BMW, Chevrolet and Acura.
The GR Corolla will actually be my first Toyota, aside from the 89 Toyota Camry I inherited.
Also, many who are attacking Hyundai have never owned one and have zero personal experience with the brand, so basically they are talking our of their asses.🤯
I have no doubt that if you end up purchasing an i30N that you will be extremely happy with your purchase.
I mean for the Veloster N to win Road and tracks 2020 performance car of the year is saying something.
Enjoy.

 

[jsj1717]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the i30N is a way better looking car, probably because I'm just that bit older at 54 and its obviously it has a very Euro look. The i30N looks a lot like the A45S so no idea how you think the GRC is a better looking car. Toyota should have made a whole new car, they took an existing econobox to save money and put AWD on it. The A45S would have been a contender for me if they made a manual and took a load of fat out of it but its twice the price ($62K vs $124K)of the i30N here. The A45S is all about the badge and there are still more things I hate about it than an i30N.

Chatted to my neighbor yesterday, he is a mechanic and does general servicing of every car out there and he raved about Hyundai and he came out with what I said a week ago on here, the Koreans have come a long way in the last few years and guess what he owns a Hyundai.

Tire wear, who cares its a consumable part along with the brake pads. Those forged 19inch alloys would look good with the P4S or even some cup 2 tires fitted.

The i30N comes in 7 colours not 3.

You need to do some research on the E-Diff mate, its changed the FWD car, why do you think the Type R is so good ?

Do they have the same theft issue with kias and Hyundais that they have in the US there? Like Kia and Hyundai cut corners by not putting an immobilizer on their keys and that resulted in like teenagers stealing cars with a USB?

I came very close to getting an Elantra N here, test drove both an Elantra N, Kona N, and a Civic Type R. I’ll tell you why I ended up waiting for a GRC. Most of it has to do with practicality tbh. The Elantra N is such a nice, raw feeing car.

1.) Adaptive cruise control. Here, the Elantra N has lane centering but no adaptive cruise control. It does have emergency braking, so it’ll keep you in a lane and drive you straight into another car until the emergency braking kicks in, which is not what I want for the amount of expressway driving I do.
2.) Wheel hop. Even on tires that aren’t warmed up or lightly wet surfaces, the wheel hop is atrocious. I used to think of this as a feature in my GTI, “it keeps you out of trouble” but I feel it was actually worse in the Elantra N.
3.) Rear Brace. This thing is responsible for like a 30% increase in rigidity in the EN. It’s easily removable, but I hate the idea of removing something the car is engineered with and letting the chassis flex without it in place.
4.) One piece folding rear seat. It’s not 60/40, which is not ideal.
5.) Price. An EN manual here is about 34k. I have access to both Toyota and Hyundai dealers selling at MSRP. My ideal GRC would be a fully loaded black core, which would be under 40k. 6k premium is definitely worth it. I would probably pay 2k alone for adaptive cruise.
6.) I know people point to the throttle house comparison, where the EN basically tied the GRC, but that really only showcases the superiority of the Hyundai bespoke pilot super sport 4s v pilot super sport 4.

I think all the N cars are spectacular. They really have such a good drivetrain. They’re letdown in America by features daily driving and wheel hop, especially if you live in states with inclement weather.

 

[ryno9100]

I think all the N cars are spectacular. They really have such a good drivetrain. They’re letdown in America by features daily driving and wheel hop, especially if you live in states with inclement weather.

This is exactly where I stand. I love the N cars. They're amazing cars, but for a daily driver, the GRC just has a couple more features that will make my everyday drive a little bit easier and I'm willing to pay the premium for that. If the GRC didn't exist, I'd probably already have an Elantra N.

 

[gazoo]

This is exactly where I stand. I love the N cars. They're amazing cars, but for a daily driver, the GRC just has a couple more features that will make my everyday drive a little bit easier and I'm willing to pay the premium for that. If the GRC didn't exist, I'd probably already have an Elantra N.

If no GRC, I would love to get the N Vision 74 lol

 

[Tronic]

The i30N for our market is clearly a very different car. This is hard to understand because we used to get the very bottom poverty spec cars now cars like the i30N are the top spec.

The car has the full engine immobilizer and proximity key with push button start, electric memory seats both driver and passenger, electric folding mirrors that are even heated, heated seats and wheel, dual zone climate, I'm struggling to find what it doesn't have. Basically its FWD not AWD but trumps the GRC in every other aspect.

There is bugger all difference between a set of P4 and P4S tires. Anyone who has done any racing knows the age and condition of a tire can make the biggest difference. Don't like the tires ? just change them, hell half the people here don't even like the wheels on the GRC let alone the tires and are prepared to toss the cast wheels.

Wheel hop is a $100 fix.

Personally I don't ever launch a car, I drive it hard yes, but once its up and moving never off the line it just kills the clutch and drivetrain.

Anyway the latest official update this month from Toyota is wait until November for pricing and ordering opens at the end of the year. We still don't even know the NZ Spec and to be honest its been hopeless.

The i30N series 2 has a full 44 page colour brochure as a hardcopy that they just give away which is surprising in itself, when I took an A45 for a test drive all they can give you is a photocopy of a .PDF on a $125K car.

 

[gazoo]

The i30N for our market is clearly a very different car. This is hard to understand because we used to get the very bottom poverty spec cars now cars like the i30N are the top spec.

The car has the full engine immobilizer and proximity key with push button start, electric memory seats both driver and passenger, electric folding mirrors that are even heated, heated seats and wheel, dual zone climate, I'm struggling to find what it doesn't have.

There is bugger all difference between a set of P4 and P4S tires. Anyone who has done any racing knows the age and condition of a tire can make the biggest difference. Don't like the tires ? just change them, hell half the people here don't even like the wheels on the GRC let alone the tires and are prepared to toss the cast wheels.

Wheel hop is a $100 fix.

Personally I don't ever launch a car, I drive it hard yes, but once its up and moving never off the line it just kills the clutch and drivetrain.

Anyway the latest official update this month from Toyota is wait until November for pricing and ordering opens at the end of the year. We still don't even know the NZ Spec and to be honest its been hopeless.

Not really toss, but rather put some good winter tires on it ✌ 😁

 

[ccrook06]

This is exactly where I stand. I love the N cars. They're amazing cars, but for a daily driver, the GRC just has a couple more features that will make my everyday drive a little bit easier and I'm willing to pay the premium for that. If the GRC didn't exist, I'd probably already have an Elantra N.

Same boat for me. I enjoyed the Elantra GT I had when they first came out in 2013, if it had a turbo I wouldn't have looked at the ST to replace it. I think the i30 N looks good, awesome daily but FWD. Which is the weak point and the reason I wouldn't look that direction even if it were available stateside.

 

[Tronic]

No snow here and we are lucky to drop below zero at like 4am mid winter. The E-Diff on the i30N now really cancels out the need for AWD here. Stay on really good rubber and we don't need AWD. Reality is who wants to take their brand new car out in the snow and salt they chuck on the roads in many countries ? Just get an old Subaru AWD paddock basher for a few thousand bucks for the shit weather, my i30N will stay in the garage until the summer.

 

[ccrook06]

No snow here and we are lucky to drop below zero at like 4am mid winter. The E-Diff on the i30N now really cancels out the need for AWD here. Stay on really good rubber and we don't need AWD. Reality is who wants to take their brand new car out in the snow and salt they chuck on the roads in many countries ? Just get an old Subaru AWD paddock basher for a few thousand bucks for the shit weather, my i30N will stay in the garage until the summer.

Greatest snow on earth over here 😂 I wouldn't buy a hatchback unless I'm using it as a commuter. That's kinda the point of it, some pep with usability. I'll garage my coupes, that's about it.

 

[jsj1717]

No snow here and we are lucky to drop below zero at like 4am mid winter. The E-Diff on the i30N now really cancels out the need for AWD here. Stay on really good rubber and we don't need AWD. Reality is who wants to take their brand new car out in the snow and salt they chuck on the roads in many countries ? Just get an old Subaru AWD paddock basher for a few thousand bucks for the shit weather, my i30N will stay in the garage until the summer.

Wish they sold the i30N here. I would have probably gotten a more practical and polished hatchback version of the Elantra N. We have the Kona N which is DCT only, on the older hyundai small car platform, has so much hard plastic you feel like you're sitting in a laundry basket, and looks like an inbred rodent. I wish they would update the Veloster N.

I daily a mk7 GTI now, which is honestly such a great car all around. I think it was one of the first cars to have a front e-diff. They're honestly so good, almost takes the thinking out of driving. The combination of the VW XDS electronic cross differential system (which i think hyundai does something similar) + the e-diff make it one of the safest cars i've driven in the snow or low traction conditions. It's pretty fun to try to get into trouble and activate that electronic cross differential, it's so good at keeping you straight.

They made a dog bone mount insert for the GTI to get rid of wheel hop, which even isn't that bad stock, but it made the car so much less refined, especially in reverse.

The thing I think I will theoretically miss the most going from the GTI, aside from getting like 30mpg on 87 octane, is probably the torque curve. The GTI, EN, and i30N all have pretty accessible and instantaneous low end torque. I think that kind of makes it more entertaining all the time, and probably results in better fuel economy. Sounds like you have to rev out the GRC a little for a similar experience...

If the GRC were a little more expensive here, like 38 or 39k starting, without packages, I would probably reconsider the EN. Really such a good car for the money.

 

[wind_slash]

i did just fine in my 05 xrs with winter tires granny shifting and not double clutching during MN snow storms.. plus everyone drives 15-30mph during whiteouts. but its probably the lack of torque that helped

 

[GR Sloan]

Wish they sold the i30N here. I would have probably gotten a more practical and polished hatchback version of the Elantra N. We have the Kona N which is DCT only, on the older hyundai small car platform, has so much hard plastic you feel like you're sitting in a laundry basket, and looks like an inbred rodent. I wish they would update the Veloster N.

I daily a mk7 GTI now, which is honestly such a great car all around. I think it was one of the first cars to have a front e-diff. They're honestly so good, almost takes the thinking out of driving. The combination of the VW XDS electronic cross differential system (which i think hyundai does something similar) + the e-diff make it one of the safest cars i've driven in the snow or low traction conditions. It's pretty fun to try to get into trouble and activate that electronic cross differential, it's so good at keeping you straight.

They made a dog bone mount insert for the GTI to get rid of wheel hop, which even isn't that bad stock, but it made the car so much less refined, especially in reverse.

The thing I think I will theoretically miss the most going from the GTI, aside from getting like 30mpg on 87 octane, is probably the torque curve. The GTI, EN, and i30N all have pretty accessible and instantaneous low end torque. I think that kind of makes it more entertaining all the time, and probably results in better fuel economy. Sounds like you have to rev out the GRC a little for a similar experience...

If the GRC were a little more expensive here, like 38 or 39k starting, without packages, I would probably reconsider the EN. Really such a good car for the money.

I owned a mk7 GTI and the interior quality was much nicer than my current Veloster N, but the driving dynamics and fun to drive factor of the VN are way better than the GTI.
I had so much understeer in the GTI, and it lacked hp.
Even though the VN only has an extra 50hp or so over the GTI, it makes a noticeable difference in performance.

 

[holland1]

Before the 2020 car pricing mess GTi's and Wrx's could be bought with 3k-5k off MSRP which would have been around 25k. If that was still the case I'd gladly get that over a MSRP deal 33k N car or a 36-42k GRC. I don't need AWD but I think the GRC will hold it's value better than the competition. I'm not paying MSRP for a regular edition anything. I mean GT mustangs were going for 29k-30k still mad I didn't pick one up. I'm still undecided between the GRC and Golf R. I do like the look of the i30n but I'm not sold on the Hyundai reliability yet.

 

[wind_slash]

at least with the hyundai you get lifetime warranty

 

[ryno9100]

at least with the hyundai you get lifetime warranty

A lot of smaller toyota dealers are doing lifetime non-factory warranties. As long as you get your maintenance at a certified shop, you get unlimited powertrain warranty. For example:

High Country Toyota | Car Warranty Forever

Never pay for expensive repairs again, simply complete the manufacturer’s recommended maintenance, and your vehicle is covered…FOREVER! Come to High Country Toyota to find out more.

www.highcountrytoyota.com

 

[wind_slash]

pfft. who needs warranty on a toyota? what a scam

 

[gazoo]

Guys! Please stick to the topic. Hyundai owners are glued here. This isn’t about Toyota.

 

[Tronic]

Guys! Please stick to the topic. Hyundai owners are glued here. This isn’t about Toyota.

Hey look I'm not going to get upset if there is valuable information or constructive conversation or comparative information posted here.