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#123 ·
coopspeed said:
I put on a set of the SSM plus. My initial impression was that the didn’t quite have the feel that the stock pads had. These are a bit more wooden feeling.

Much less dust.

Performance? I honest haven’t used them in that way. Probably only 250 miles on them so far.
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I'll take the much less dust, and swap out as needed for any autocross events. Plus dust on silver wheels is much more annoying than dust on black wheels.....
 
#124 ·
Ordered myself a set of SSM Plus pads from Black Hawk Japan on 5/31 shipped on 6/22 and received them today 6/24. Was supposed to get them yesterday but my UPS guy only delivered the packages with my business name as the receiver and not the one with my name. Really surprised how quickly they got here, I did not ask for any kind of express shipping so that was nice. They quoted me about 1 month for manufacturing and then shipping after that. Got here in less than 30 days so definitely on the faster side of the estimate. Pads were $204 shipping was $94 and "UPS Saver" was the option selected and for about $300 I'm happy considering stateside dealers are $500-$600. Will hopefully get these installed in the next month or so, have a new set of wheels that need mounting and balancing and will probably have it all done at the same time.
 
#127 · (Edited)
About 500 miles on Endless MX72 pads (a more track oriented pad but not full track pad), and the dusting is definitely better than stock pads. The pads do still dust, but at a much reduced rate. I'd say they have a third of the dust stock pads do. If you wash your car twice a month, I'd say this is pretty acceptable.

Here's a picture of how they look. It's also been raining, so it looks worse on the wheel than it actually is. Note how much is on the caliper. I think most of this would wash off easily.
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#128 ·
blackgrc said:
Those still looking into Endless, I just threw on some MX72 pads a few weeks ago to prep the GRC for Laguna track days this summer; here's some initial thoughts after break-in:

Moderate increase in performance over OEM. Noticeably more progressive, no weird initial "bite" like you would get with the stock pads. Stopping power is strong even when cold; easier to modulate than OEM when you really start digging in. Dust levels seem comparable to the stock pads as far as I can tell, so for those concerned more about clean rims than performance - there are better options that will compromise between braking performance/dust. I'll just wash my car.

Additionally - I was pleasantly surprised by how quiet the pads are, definitely had more squeaks going on w/ the OEM set. Would recommend for those splitting their time between dailying and occasional track days. Or if you're looking for something a bit more aggressive than stock and wanna feel more WRC by running Endless pads on your car 😉

Hope this info helps out!
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Aren’t the OEM Akebonos pretty similar to the MX72/72+ ? My understanding is that they are solid, performance pad. Not sure if it’s semi-metallic, sintered, ceramic
 
#129 ·
Corollapwr01 said:
Aren’t the OEM Akebonos pretty similar to the MX72/72+ ? My understanding is that they are solid, performance pad. Not sure if it’s semi-metallic, sintered, ceramic
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The Akebonos are definitely solid. I believe they're a semi-metallic compound but I can't confirm this (they dust bronze, and they also squeak lol). The MX72 deals with track temps better and have more stopping power, but I wouldn't say they're leagues above the OEM set. They're a step above. All the other differences I noticed are in my previous post; they are objectively better performance pads than the OEM set.

If you rarely track or don't track your car and are still on stock PS4 tires, I probably wouldn't even switch from the OEM pads, they're pretty darn good (besides the duuuust).
 
#130 ·
blackgrc said:
The Akebonos are definitely solid. I believe they're a semi-metallic compound but I can't confirm this (they dust bronze, and they also squeak lol). The MX72 deals with track temps better and have more stopping power, but I wouldn't say they're leagues above the OEM set. They're a step above. All the other differences I noticed are in my previous post; they are objectively better performance pads than the OEM set.

If you rarely track or don't track your car and are still on stock PS4 tires, I probably wouldn't even switch from the OEM pads, they're pretty darn good (besides the duuuust).
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I agree with all these, but I disagree on the dust. It is definitely better than OEM on dust. But that is not to say they are dust free. I would recommend these over OEM for sure.
 
#131 ·
Now that we're getting a handle on which pads can minimize brake dust/retain performance, can we start a "Door Jamb Dust" thread and see what can be done there ;).

I washed my car yesterday and I swear the door jambs were about as bad as the brake dust on the wheels. Somehow much dirtier than the a-surfaces of the body.
 
#132 ·
Wsidr1 said:
Now that we're getting a handle on which pads can minimize brake dust/retain performance, can we start a "Door Jamb Dust" thread and see what can be done there ;).

I washed my car yesterday and I swear the door jambs were about as bad as the brake dust on the wheels. Somehow much dirtier than the a-surfaces of the body.
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My door jams and rocker areas are embarassingly filthy after all the dust and rain.
 
#135 · (Edited)
Update on Endless MX72 brake dust after I washed the car last week. No rain. This is after 100 miles of mostly city driving. You can tell what dust used to be like on the inner barrel. Important to note that my wheels are ceramic coated.
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#136 ·
200 mile Endless MX72 update. I'd say still relatively clean with some dust starting to build. I'm pretty happy with this pad. No loss in performance over stock.
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#139 ·
ijuswannaride said:
With a few hundred miles on mine now, I can say with great confidence that the ordinary road dust is now worse than the brake dust. Totally worth the time and money to install these pads. Stopping power is not compromised at all. I can't speak to how they'd stand up to the extreme heat of track duty, but for hard road use, they're excellent.
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Did you have to get your rotors resurfaced or did you just replace the pads alone with no issues?
 
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