[wheelhaus]

In his video ( not mine) he mentions it to be a common problem on First Gen GR Yaris. I see that they started production in September 2020. I have no info on what common parts we share with that engine. I’m wondering about his recommendation to change to 5w30 and if that does affect blowby. Thanks for the info and discussion.

Thicker oil historically can reduce blowby somewhat by simply being thicker, further preventing combustion gasses from pushing past the rings. Its also a little less volatile so the PCV/CCV system has less vapor to collect and route to the intake. LSPI goes the other way, it can be caused by the oil itself getting into combustion chamber. To some degree (I'm not sure how much) thicker oil can apparently increase LSPI likelihood by being a little more tenacious; a thicker film will resist scrape by the piston ring and allow marginally more oil into the combustion chamber. But again LSPI events require conditions with a combination of high boost under high load at low rpm.

So use a good API SP GF6-A oil (these indicate LSPI ratings), and good driving habits (don't lug the engine at low rpm) and this is not a concern. If you generally just put around town, stick with 0w20. If your engine gets run hard, consider 5w30. If LSPI events were caused by just using 5w30, or lugging the engine occasionally, we'd see failures left and right. Instead we're seeing a very small number of cases get "blown" (har har see what I did there) out of proportion and spreading FUD.

 

[Sleeper]

Thicker oil historically can reduce blowby somewhat by simply being thicker, further preventing combustion gasses from pushing past the rings. Its also a little less volatile so the PCV/CCV system has less vapor to collect and route to the intake. LSPI goes the other way, it can be caused by the oil itself getting into combustion chamber. To some degree (I'm not sure how much) thicker oil can apparently increase LSPI likelihood by being a little more tenacious; a thicker film will resist scrape by the piston ring and allow marginally more oil into the combustion chamber. But again LSPI events require conditions with a combination of high boost under high load at low rpm.

So use a good API SP GF6-A oil (these indicate LSPI ratings), and good driving habits (don't lug the engine at low rpm) and this is not a concern. If you generally just put around town, stick with 0w20. If your engine gets run hard, consider 5w30. If LSPI events were caused by just using 5w30, or lugging the engine occasionally, we'd see failures left and right. Instead we're seeing a very small number of cases get "blown" (har har see what I did there) out of proportion and spreading FUD.

Exactly, look at what super thick oil dragster engines use under those extreme conditions and how they really don’t like pre detonation either.

 

[The bag]

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I'm not watching the video, but my opinion is this guy ^ was tuning his own car. He just recently has been asking about changing the valves in his engine to improve engine reliability, all while having a full warranty on his BRAND NEW GRC. He killed his own car not toyota.

The grc tht caught on fire was tuned?

 

[coopspeed]

The grc tht caught on fire was tuned?

I remember reading that it was stock.

 

[MYount]

The grc tht caught on fire was tuned?

The grc tht caught on fire was tuned?

From the thread you quoted with emphasis added - "....my OPINION is this guy was tuning his own car."

 

[driftfreaq]

I remember reading that it was stock.

It was not clear because the owner made posts prior to the initial post that was paraded around that he took down including comments possibly showing high speed pulls. Also his engine actually blew up. There was a hole in the block. Plus when he got his new car he started asking questions on Facebook about opening up his new stock engine to put heavy duty valve springs in as a way to protect it. Which drew even more suspicion and doubt about the validity of his claim on the Original car.

 

[Carl]

The grc tht caught on fire was tuned?

There was talk that he was deleting stuff of him tuning it or something. I don't really want to go find it again, but he deleted his reddit history and I think youtube videos. Either way, I have questions.

Edit: It's not really worth continuing to bash the poor kid in this thread as it's obvious I do not trust they had zero responsibility in causing the engine to pop. In my opinion they are causing all this fuss so they can sue Toyota since they only got an insurance payout.

 

[driftfreaq]

Well apparent in the Facebook messenger group there is a guy here in LA that did have his engine blow up at 16k when he was shifting gear at like 5 k going to 2nd just driving around town about 2.5 months ago. This is the first I heard he literally just mentioned in on the messenger app.

 

[Carl]

Well apparent in the Facebook messenger group there is a guy here in LA that did have his engine blow up at 16k when he was shifting gear at like 5 just driving around town about 2.5 months ago. This is the first I heard he literally just mentioned in on the messenger app.

I'm sure in the next year or so we will see a few more once there are more cars in the road. I just have a grudge against that one instance.

 

[driftfreaq]

I'm sure in the next year or so we will see a few more once there are more cars in the road. I just have a grudge against that one instance.

Oh ya the particular incident does have suspicious written all over it. The guy local though is definitely quite a ? As he clearly says he was driving normal. Though he does not say if the engine was fully at temp as The dash specifically tells not rev or push the engine before it’s hit operating temp.
I mean in the FiST world the people that blew engines were tuning and adding aux fuel. There was the factory 2014 coolant issue that was blowing a few headgaskets . Though Ford issued a band aid for that and then atlered the head design in 2016 and ran the coolant line in a slightly different location. Ya originally it ran real close to a heat source and would cause failure in either overheating or rare case fire.
There was none of this it’s a terrible car or engine BS at the time though. The FocusRS caught it for its wrong headgasket which seems to be a bigger problem as it did blow a bunch of engines .
Overall though people do what to seem to blow the issue up at any given moment. If my engine blows it blows I mean if it’s gonna what am to do? Don’t lug it i.e. power it at low rpms in higher gears. Try not to bounce off the rev limiter when ripping 😂. Don’t moneyshot misshift . Enjoy it be careful and everything should be fine my s280 powered FiST is still going strong with its new owner in Arizona and he is raking up miles on the car.

 

[The bag]

It was not clear because the owner made posts prior to the initial post that was paraded around that he took down including comments possibly showing high speed pulls. Also his engine actually blew up. There was a hole in the block. Plus when he got his new car he started asking questions on Facebook about opening up his new stock engine to put heavy duty valve springs in as a way to protect it. Which drew even more suspicion and doubt about the validity of his claim on the Original car.

Dang, and his car was a morizo or circuit edition. I couldn't imagine tuning such a limited production car unless its a core or premium.

 

[DylanJZA]

I would like the last 14 minutes and 16 seconds of my life back please. Get outta town with this "mega-blowby" baloney; it just reeks of pseudoscientific fear mongering.

Excessive blow-by does not cause preigniton unless you're talking tablespoons of oil being drawn through the rings with each stroke and causing the effective compression ratio to skyrocket. What would end up happening with excessive blow-by is you'd get a lot of oil consumption plus fuel dilution in the oil, and eventually you'd lose oil film strength to the point where your bearings get to know their other halves really well and start knocking each other up. For the record, my GRC burns no oil and I have not smelled any fuel when checking the oil level or at oil changes. Sample size of 1 and all, but the video's sample size of "30 or so" isn't exactly a 95% confidence level either.

The piston he showed off did seem like the top piston gap was excessive though it's hard to say without seeing it inside a bore. --Side note, this is the first time I've seen a piston from this engine and my goodness that's an absolute unit of a top compression ring. It is by far the beefiest OEM piston ring I've ever seen outside of a diesel engine.-- The piston also doesn't appear to have the characteristic "scorching" below the oil control ring that comes from excessive blow-by, so I'm skeptical at that claim as well. It's hard to tell from the static shots if the speckles in the crown are actually from detonation pitting or just dust, but that would be where my money is on the actual failure mode. These engines, being high boost small displacement, are sensitive to LSPI (low speed pre ignition), which happens at low RPM and high boost, and is largely solved by staying out of boost below 2000 RPM. Using API SP oils (which are specifically formulated to help suppress LSPI) and the boost map limiting low RPM boost do a lot to help prevent this as well, but it boils down mostly to user error in the end.

With the roughly 20,000 GR Yaris and Corollas on the road combined, even if there were hundreds of owners that have blown up their engines, it's still basically a rounding error. This isn't nearly on the same scale as every other Tundra blowing up. The engine failure examples the video provided are also ridiculous; the first one being a literal WRC Yaris that's blown up (news flash: race cars blow up sometimes) and the second being that one guy who's had his warranty denied after his car caught on fire (which, yeah, no shit. Hard to warranty a melted pile of scrap; that's what insurance is for) where the only objectionable thing about the whole outcome was that bullshit 85 mph excuse Toyota gave about why his warranty was being denied.

Re-ringing the engine as a preventative measure is absolutely insane as a recommendation. What is this, a WRX STI?

I cringed at the recommendation of 5W30 oil. It reeks of someone who has no idea what the "0/5W" designation actually means. In this modern age of high performance synthetic oils, there is zero reason to use 5W-anything when the 0W-equivalent exists. You want the oil to be as thin at room temperature as possible so it actually gets to your bearings as fast as possible on cold starts, and 0W oils excel at this far better than any 5W could ever dream to. The "30" is the important part here, as it means the oil will be equivalent to a 30 weight oil when warm. Personally if I was tracking this car I'd do 0W40 instead, but I'm just some rando on the internet who claims to know a lot about cars so do your own research.

To make these engines last, the name of the game is avoiding damage from sustained high load/low RPM condition. Full boost at/below 2000 RPM is not only right in the LSPI zone, it's also terrible for your rod bearings since you're at a lower oil pressure and have reduced oil keep-metal-surfaces-away-from-each-other ability as a result. I see recommendations to not accelerate in 5th and 6th gear but personally, once the car's revving over ~2500 RPM (or more accurately, once oil pressure is over 50 PSI) I treat 5th & 6th no differently than any other gear and will happily go WOT to pass someone without bothering to downshift; the risk of damage simply isn't there at higher engine speeds and oil pressures.

TL;DR: If you've blown up your GR Corolla it's probably due to a skill issue. Fight me 😈

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it's LSPI and lugging engines as you stated far more eloquently. In addition to not lugging the engine, using API SP rated oils designed to reduce LSPI are also highly beneficial.