[buco]

I noticed this too!!! Something I actually think is weird is the CTR itself also has had these crazy markups long before Covid and it’s accepted for the most part.

Though the GRC is AWD, doesn’t have fake engine noise, and rides better, I also see more people dumping their GRCs more than CTR owners.

I think the CTR is used as a status symbol, whereas the GRC isn't, per se. People will buy the CTR for the badge, whereas those who keep the GRC keep it for the drive.

 

[jsj1717]

I think the CTR is used as a status symbol, whereas the GRC isn't, per se. People will buy the CTR for the badge, whereas those who keep the GRC keep it for the drive.

Having a FWD tRaCk wEaPoN as a status symbol is like rocking a junior varsity coat

 

[Jeonsa]

I think we talk about them merely because Savage Geese in their ultimate fanboyism diss GRC’s for the sake of undying fanboy love for Honda. As much as I am dissing here in fun I actually usually do not give most Honda’s or CTR’s the time of day normally . The thing about Honda boys though is they do go on endlessly about their cars being the best thing since sliced bread . Hence why Savage Geese has eagerly earned the moniker. Though they are definitely the ones fanning the flames on GRC’s morso than anyone else and doing it with comments about how superior the CTR is. We only mention them because I feel a lot of us are just sick of them…..well at least I am🤣

P.S. if not ther member posted another Savage Geese vid it would not be soon enough.

As far as the 2 products go I’ve seen similar community discussions between the CTR and RS back when that first released, which is weird considering everything.

The SavageGeese doesn’t bother me because most of the disgust comes from what went on at that event. There was a lot of BS between content creators, Toyota reps not knowing things and so on. That’s per a member here who went. Kinda why there’s so many similar inconsistencies, like Topher praising the car but still got a CTR.

I think the CTR is used as a status symbol, whereas the GRC isn't, per se. People will buy the CTR for the badge, whereas those who keep the GRC keep it for the drive.

That doesn’t make sense because people wouldn’t dump the GRC as often still. I agree that the Type R badge has more history and has a obsessive cult following behind it, but I’ve also noticed that the GRC on release just doesn’t have the same continuous energy like the WRX/STI or EVO did.

RS was another hot hatch forbidden fruit. Finally came here and didn’t have that energy really. Can’t explain it.

 

[Jeonsa]

Having a FWD tRaCk wEaPoN as a status symbol is like rocking a junior varsity coat

Yeah that didn’t make sense to me.

 

[jsj1717]

As far as the 2 products go I’ve seen similar community discussions between the CTR and RS back when that first released, which is weird considering everything.

The SavageGeese doesn’t bother me because most of the disgust comes from what went on at that event. There was a lot of BS between content creators, Toyota reps not knowing things and so on. That’s per a member here who went. Kinda why there’s so many similar inconsistencies, like Topher praising the car but still got a CTR.


That doesn’t make sense because people wouldn’t dump the GRC as often still. I agree that the Type R badge has more history and has a obsessive cult following behind it, but I’ve also noticed that the GRC on release just doesn’t have the same continuous energy like the WRX/STI or EVO did.

RS was another hot hatch forbidden fruit. Finally came here and didn’t have that energy really. Can’t explain it.

I think this is spot on. The lack of an established brand/recognition hurts the GRC especially in the upper market.

In this part of the market people don’t just buy a car, they buy a story. GRC doesn’t have that established of a story yet, even though it’s a phenomenal product.

 

[BellaireGRC]

Not watching it. No hits from me.

 

[CharlieGsanD]

The real reason people prefer the CTR over the GRC but are too ashamed to admit

 

[Leseid]

I actually noticed a lot interesting things between the 2 cars.

Like how we talk about them, yet they don’t really mention us. 😂

The only place I see overlap is in the troll factor of taking a reliable commuter and making it a factory performance car.

Now that I've read though this discussion it makes me wonder... what is the Type R good at?

 

[rmbrady]

As someone who thinks all the cars in the segment are awesome, I don't really understand the defensiveness some have over the reviews. Personally I would equate the whole 'cheap' speed category to the 911 lineup. The CTR is the GT3 suited best in good weather at the track, the GR is a Turbo/C4S maybe not as good in perfect weather, but better in inclement weather and nearly as fast in the dry, and the Elantra N is a 911 GTS/S, essentially as fast as the GT3 in 90% of situations, but not quite as special as the GT3, however much cheaper. None of the 911s are bad, and neither are any of these 'cheap' performance cars. That being said a large majority of publications talk about the GT3/CTR in more special terms because they are more concerned with outright handling/track performance. If you're value matrix is tilted toward backroads/snow/rain/whatever, or straight value, then just buy the car that best fits that purpose. We should all be jumping for joy that these cars are still offered at a somewhat reasonable price.

 

[Jeonsa]

The only place I see overlap is in the troll factor of taking a reliable commuter and making it a factory performance car.

Now that I've read though this discussion it makes me wonder... what is the Type R good at?

Objectively it’s bigger space wise, shifter, track capability. But like stated above it’s mainly the heritage is more defined.

 

[SC23]

We have to give them credit for proving how overrated the CTR is (unintentionally).

Their timed laps on the same track with the same tires with the same driver on the same day showed that both cars are fractions of a second apart.

All that "racing pedigree" didn't amount to jack shit lol.

 

[jsj1717]

We have to give them credit for proving how overrated the CTR is (unintentionally).

Their timed laps on the same track with the same tires with the same driver on the same day showed that both cars are fractions of a second apart.

All that "racing pedigree" didn't amount to jack shit lol.

THIS.

I don’t think people here are even that defensive, I think they have such a hard time understanding the criticisms because they’re so inconsistent.

The entire SG saga of hate makes no sense.

Dude loves it on backroad driving, then as soon as a non-Morizo basically ties his beloved CTR on track, it’s the worst thing ever.

They have honestly looked panicked trying to tear the GRC apart. “Let’s bring out instrumented audio system testing on this track comparison episode.”

Then they PURCHASE one, and pour waaaaaay more money into it than the CTR, basically implicitly saying a CTR is not worth modding because FWD, and then keep pouring hate all over it.

You get the sense they wanted something that was gonna get toasted on track, which is why they included an S209 in the test, so they could feel special and advertise local tuners by modding it up to CTR levels.

They wanted it to be a non-threatening little brother to the CTR, but it instead almost upstaged the one-trick pony while also being 20% cheaper and having two more driven wheels.

 

[black86]

We have to give them credit for proving how overrated the CTR is (unintentionally).

Their timed laps on the same track with the same tires with the same driver on the same day showed that both cars are fractions of a second apart.

All that "racing pedigree" didn't amount to jack shit lol.

Was that with a circuit? Core or morizo? I don't remember the times, let me go dig for it.

They used a circuit. I'd also add, a dedicated track car should have a manual parking brake. I use it when I hoon, esp on my rwd cars.... both with a manual parking brake.

And lap times...

Elantra N doesn't get enough credit.

Hands down FL5 best seat.

My 42k otd (core) is less than MSRP of the FL5 😂

Elantra N is 32k MSRP and i hope to try one when I consider a FWD car 😁

Ive watched it twice now 😂 and I agree that the GR isnt meant to be on the track, esp not the core or circuit (the irony) but I'll still take mine to the track. I just can't wait to take it to a rallycross 😁

 

[Jeonsa]

THIS.

I don’t think people here are even that defensive, I think they have such a hard time understanding the criticisms because they’re so inconsistent.

The entire SG saga of hate makes no sense.

Dude loves it on backroad driving, then as soon as a non-Morizo basically ties his beloved CTR on track, it’s the worst thing ever.

They have honestly looked panicked trying to tear the GRC apart. “Let’s bring out instrumented audio system testing on this track comparison episode.”

Then they PURCHASE one, and pour waaaaaay more money into it than the CTR, basically implicitly saying a CTR is not worth modding because FWD, and then keep pouring hate all over it.

You get the sense they wanted something that was gonna get toasted on track, which is why they included an S209 in the test, so they could feel special and advertise local tuners by modding it up to CTR levels.

They wanted it to be a non-threatening little brother to the CTR, but it instead almost upstaged the one-trick pony while also being 20% cheaper and having two more driven wheels.

Naw I think people misconstrue what they feel towards the 2 cars because some of our group is a little sensitive towards criticism. They always cover exactly what makes the Corolla great, while there’s some people who refuse to understand WHY they were turned off.

They just don’t like how the Corolla is an afterthought and how that is reflected through the media events talking to company reps and driving the cars.

With Toyota’s history the GRC fits the same mold as other in house performance options. Usually Toyota gets inspired by some other car, works on just everyday fun driving characteristics and will actually take something away to add character.

After looking at old videos the GRC launch was a bigger version of the RCF launch and everything that came with it. 😂

We have to give them credit for proving how overrated the CTR is (unintentionally).

Their timed laps on the same track with the same tires with the same driver on the same day showed that both cars are fractions of a second apart.

All that "racing pedigree" didn't amount to jack shit lol.

Means something apparently because people are still buying the overpriced things and keeping them, while others are dumping the GRC.

As stated earlier though it’s the story that probably drives public perception the most.

 

[cpele9009]

I love my car. Why overthink it. Who cares what these dorks think, it’s just a great fun car. Here. I’m going to use SG line of thinking and say it like this:
I love my car the most because I believe it’s really cool and it’s also mine. 😎

 

[jsj1717]

Naw I think people misconstrue what they feel towards the 2 cars because some of our group is a little sensitive towards criticism. They always cover exactly what makes the Corolla great, while there’s some people who refuse to understand WHY they were turned off.

They just don’t like how the Corolla is an afterthought and how that is reflected through the media events talking to company reps and driving the cars.

With Toyota’s history the GRC fits the same mold as other in house performance options. Usually Toyota gets inspired by some other car, works on just everyday fun driving characteristics and will actually take something away to add character.

After looking at old videos the GRC launch was a bigger version of the RCF launch and everything that came with it. 😂


Means something apparently because people are still buying the overpriced things and keeping them, while others are dumping the GRC.

As stated earlier though it’s the story that probably drives public perception the most.

I don’t think turnover is indicative of a less desirable product, especially in a first generation.

People probably didn’t get what they expected, which is more common because they didn’t know what to expect. Also there is some financial incentive to flip in the current market as things appear to be cooling.

If the plans of these manufacturers is to build one-to-few, production numbers really should reflect a combination of demand + the ratio of how much they actually value enthusiasts/want to look out for dealers.

GRC - ~5300 for US market (only manufacturer that even release numbers)
CTR - ~4000
Golf R - ~2500

The reason the most people seem to be mad at Toyota for “not producing enough GRCs” is because it’s the one that most people want.

 

[Jeonsa]

I don’t think turnover is indicative of a less desirable product, especially in a first generation.

People probably didn’t get what they expected, which is more common because they didn’t know what to expect. Also there is some financial incentive to flip in the current market as things appear to be cooling.

If the plans of these manufacturers is to build one-to-few, production numbers really should reflect a combination of demand + the ratio of how much they actually value enthusiasts/want to look out for dealers.

GRC - ~5300 for US market (only manufacturer that even release numbers)
CTR - ~4000
Golf R - ~2500

The reason the most people seem to be mad at Toyota for “not producing enough GRCs” is because it’s the one that most people want.

I didn’t say it’s less desirable or debating on which is, I’m just saying the people buying the Type R pretty much know what they’re getting and they keep it for that reason. Just an answer to people talking down on whatever the CTR is.

GRC is gonna go through the same cycle as other full bred Toyota’s. These reviews will keep coming out and eventually when it goes out of production all of a sudden all the skeptics will talk about how great it really is and so on. Nothing new.

 

[López de Santa Anna]

dudes really like the ctr and thats cool.

 

[GRorolla]

The GR has AWD, a manual park brake, shorter wheelbase, weighs less and is a better AutoX car from what I have seen (both personally & reviews). I live in a snow/rain area and will drive the car in winter. It was a no brainer for me.

I have nothing against the savagegeese review. I just think they put A LOT of weight on the track performance.
It's all personal opinion, brings me back to the EVO vs. STi days.

 

[black86]

The GR has AWD, a manual park brake, shorter wheelbase, weighs less and is a better AutoX car from what I have seen (both personally & reviews). I live in a snow/rain area and will drive the car in winter. It was a no brainer for me.

I have nothing against the savagegeese review. I just think they put A LOT of weight on the track performance.
It's all personal opinion, brings me back to the EVO vs. STi days.

SG doing SG...

2 tenths slower than a FL5 on track but better on the road to make up 7-8k difference. GTFO 😂 14k difference to a GRC within 8* tenths of a FL5, and AWD that make shitty roads more fun... 😆

Evo vs STi days? How so 😊