As the the article says; simple math. 500 a year and 1000 orders means 3 year wait. No speculation needed on that. I imagine a number of people are crossing their fingers that they were fast enough. I also anticipate the number of orders will decrease if the speculated $70k price has any truth to it. My dealer is being quiet on price.

 

I placed my deposit before the car was officially announced but in some cases even that isn’t enough so hopefully it works out with my dealer

 

I thought we may get increased allocation each year but it looks like that wont be happening. Hopefully all of us are ucky and have made the first batch.

70-80k is very pricey though.

 

Take anything you read off CarsGuide with a grain of salt. Too many of their articles lack any credible sources

 

They seem to be the only media group reporting this, with their source being "just trust me bro. I spoke to the (redacted) dealer". Considering what you can get for a touch more than $70k, I would be out too. Hopefully Toyota see common sense. This thing is supposed to be easier and cheaper to build than the Yaris.

 

Personally, if the min $70k price tag is true. I'm out. Not that Toyota would give two shits lol.

 

80k especially is a lot of money and puts it in a different realm, hopefully they don’t make that mistake

 

What does everyone think a reasonable price for this car would be?

 

I'm hoping Core grade, $55k before on roads max. Circuit, $60k before on roads max. The new WRX RS manual is $50,500 before on roads. The GRC may well be better than a WRX, but not $15k+ better (as pricing rumours suggest). Plus the Golf R ($65,990 before on roads) is just on another level having a more lux interior and options and also being a DSG gearbox. Toyota couldn't reasonably consider it a competitor from a value perspective.

Just curious why you lucky guys in the land of Oz didn't buy the awesome GR Yaris?
If I had the chance to buy either the GR Yaris or the GR Corolla, I'd be all over the Yaris, smaller, lighter weight, looks better WRC homologation car, much more special.

Practicality for me as the Yaris has a shoe box for a trunk and the rear seats are more a suggestion than a means of transporting humans. Plus there are about 900 Australian's who have paid money and are currently waiting for their GRY with no specified date, so the wait time is indefinite. Unless you want to pay over retail for a thrashed second hand example.

 

Just curious why you lucky guys in the land of Oz didn't buy the awesome GR Yaris?
If I had the chance to buy either the GR Yaris or the GR Corolla, I'd be all over the Yaris, smaller, lighter weight, looks better WRC homologation car, much more special.

 

Only second hand models available now unfortunately and no garantee of more in the future. I'm looking at a very low mileage GRY Rallye at the moment but it's a tough decision because the GRC looks far better in terms of styling and will correct some problems of the GRY and will have "similar" performance. But I could miss out on the GRC due to limited numbers if I wait. And also paying 60k+ for a second hand car makes me wary.

 

Honestly before all this hype of the GR Corolla I was thinking of getting an i20N. If I do miss out on the corolla or if they are released at such a high price range, I would probably consider going for the i20N. Pretty good car although not AWD is the only setback.

 

Wrong section, cant delete my post sorry.

 

In NZ the GRC Core will be $65K and the Circuit will be $70K. If the GRY is already listed at $60K then it will be give or take a thousand or two.

Plenty of people are going to drop off the list when they see the price.

I don't want an initial release anyway, plenty of problems get sorted a year or two later.

 

In NZ the GRC Core will be $65K and the Circuit will be $70K. If the GRY is already listed at $60K then it will be give or take a thousand or two.

Plenty of people are going to drop off the list when they see the price.

I don't want an initial release anyway, plenty of problems get sorted a year or two later.

The prices for sports cars in both Australia and NZ are off the charts.
A 911 turbo is close to half a million dollars, really ridiculous and dare I say obscene.
My question is, do these very high automobile prices reflect that overall your incomes are that much higher than those in North America or Europe?
Just trying to get my head around a half-million-dollar 911 turbo in Australia, which sells for $174,300 in the USA.

 

You have to factor in the exchange rate and yes your average wage sucks.

Cars have got cheaper over the years here relative to wages.

 

So if the 911 Turbo is any indication, what you're saying is your salaries are double or more what they are in North America and Europe?
Just curious what's your minimum wage?

 

The minimum wage is currently NZD$21.20

Cars are not really the killer, out house prices are the killer. Our average house price is like NZD$1million.

You don't need a Porsche 911 Turbo but most people need a house to live in.

Of more relevance to the car market, here is the order of the most selling cars in NZ for 2021.

1. Ford Ranger, 12,580 registrations.
2. Toyota Hilux, 8,430 registrations. ...
3. Mitsubishi Outlander, 6,506 registrations. ...
4. Toyota RAV4, 6,212 registrations. ...
5. Mitsubishi ASX, 5,036 registrations. ...
6. Mitsubishi Triton, 4,963 registrations. ...
7. Toyota Corolla, 4,766 registrations ...
8. Nissan Navara, 3,574 registrations...
9. Tesla Model 3, 3,271 registrations ...
10. Mazda CX-5, 3,128 registrations ...

Our market is totally dominated by SUV's and Utes. Our roads are totally rubbish you want 4WD and a car that doesn't have anything over 18inch wheels or the next pothole you hit will cost you a fortune.

Toyota have 3 models in the top 10. Its pretty obvious that if Toyota could meet demand with the GRC it would be in the top 5.

 

Are "utes" pickup trucks?
I would say for the past 30+ years the best selling vehicles in the USA have been pickup trucks by a large margin.
Ford F150, Chevy Silverado and Dodge Ram are on top.
With the topography of Australia I can see why trucks would make a lot of sense.
Not sure about Canada, I think the Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla and Camry are the top sellers.

 

What happens is you get a law change and very quickly your ICE car can become a museum piece or very expensive to put on the road. I give it 10 years before we begin to get taxed off the road.

The Hyundai i30 is very nice, problem is its FWD only or else it would have been an option. I refuse to drive a FWD car any more, no matter how fast they claim it goes round the Nurburgring.

i30 N | Hyundai New Zealand

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10 years maybe in Australia, but not in America.

The Yaris is to small. I want at least a medium sized car as I'm big and over 6 foot tall.

On another note, Toyota have advised rocking up to your local dealer in September 2022 when more information on pricing and colours will be announced.

I will definitely be looking seriously at a GRC as long as they don't go stupid on the pricing and don't offer only that metallic silver, I hate that colour for visibility on the road.

The timing will be good, I planned on a new car next year but if the GRC doesn't happen my current Subaru 3.0R will go another 5 years anyway until something else shows up. The GRC is really not that much better but it would be nice to buy my first ever new car and the fuel consumption should be better and they certainly look cool.

Funny, I actually want my GR Corolla CE in that Heavy-metal color, as I think it looks great, and is the best color for hiding dirt, dust and scratches.

 

Why would you go from an Emira to a GRC?

 

Emira is track focussed and GRC will be my daily drive I also intend to get it out of loose surfaces on family farm and will be getting a spare set of dirt tyres and try to protect it as much as possible for stones, undertray/mudguards/ppf/snorkel

 

The Yaris is to small. I want at least a medium sized car as I'm big and over 6 foot tall.

On another note, Toyota have advised rocking up to your local dealer in September 2022 when more information on pricing and colours will be announced.

I will definitely be looking seriously at a GRC as long as they don't go stupid on the pricing and don't offer only that metallic silver, I hate that colour for visibility on the road.

The timing will be good, I planned on a new car next year but if the GRC doesn't happen my current Subaru 3.0R will go another 5 years anyway until something else shows up. The GRC is really not that much better but it would be nice to buy my first ever new car and the fuel consumption should be better and they certainly look cool.

 

Red would be my first choice if they do not make one in Yellow followed by White then Silver.

 

The i20N or i30N looks great but its front wheel drive so no thanks.

I just signed up for a GR Corolla Circuit Edition. Dealer was happy to take all my details and more information will be known for our market in September 2022.

No deposit required here but they want to know where you live so I guess if you don't buy it they will come round and break your arm.

 

Is this a confirmed order or have you been added to the dealers list? The two dealers that I've spoken to in the BOP weren't interested in taking details.

 

Yeah I know it is front wheel drive but to me that would be the next best thing (don't like sti's anymore)

 

Front wheel drive sucks. My first ever Ford was front wheel drive and you could spin the wheels in the dry with only a fraction of the power modern day cars have. Total rubbish. Then moved to a rear wheel drive MR2 it was great but things have really moved on in terms of wheels and brakes and it always had oversteer problems if you pushed it hard at the track.

AWD is the only way to go for our crappy roads. The drive mode is so easy to change just turn a knob, I love it no going through a load of menus on the display. I suspect my current Subaru is something like 70/30 but the option to just leave it in 50/50 sounds good to me.

Its GR Corolla is everything I ever wanted really except maybe the colour if I had been given a choice, but you never know and red would be my second choice anyway.

 

No such thing as a "Confirmed Order" they have no idea how many we are even getting allocated and they don't know when. I would say that getting one is a total longshot to be honest, especially as the price could be off the charts. Not sure who you spoke to but I actually physically went into the dealer, sat down and spoke to them at length and yes they took all my details.

Not really in a total panic to get one, would rather they run for a couple of years and iron out all the teething troubles, the MR2 only got better over 10 years of production. My Subaru will easily do another 5 years and its probably 90% as good but I would love to get my hands on the "Perfect Car" to replace it.

 

Not really in a total panic to get one, would rather they run for a couple of years and iron out all the teething troubles, the MR2 only got better over 10 years of production.

Only question is how are you going to get your hands on one in a couple years? Put your order down in a few months time and you could end up hundreds down the list, barring an MSRP that puts lots of people off.

 

2023 Toyota GR Corolla limited to 500 examples, staff discounts banned

The initial allocation of Toyota GR Corolla hot hatches is expected to be limited to approximately 500 cars in Australia – and employees won't be able to jump the queue or get a better deal than retail buyers.

www.drive.com.au

More delicious speculation. I suspect that there would already be over 500 people in Australia who have put their name (and money) down, myself included. If Toyota do an online order system, I wonder if those who have already paid a deposit to their dealer take priority. Or would it be first-in, best-dressed for whenever the online ordering opens up? Would hate to miss out because of a bad internet connection.

 

The GR86 in the UK was online ordering only and it sold out within 90 minutes. They could well do the same thing in Australia and NZ.

 

That is good news (if true) about dealers not being able to play the system. But the online ordering system seems like a bad way to go considering people's deposits were already accepted by dealers. There are going to be a lot of pissed of people, including me.

 

There are going to be a lot of pissed of people, including me.

It's all speculation at this point, and every dealer is probably telling a different journalist something different. In reality, Toyota likely don't even know yet how they intend to release this thing.

 

Its a shame that Subaru dropped the STi because obviously a 350Hp-400Hp version of this which was easily achievable since 2018 and their "Concept Viziv" would have reduced demand for the GRC quite significantly and filled in the "Top end" of the market.

Subaru clearly dropped the STi so that the Toyota GRC had a huge demand, the timing was obvious.

It is inevitable that there will be a lot of pissed people, I was already pissed about the STi after waiting YEARS for it to have it suddenly cancelled.

Reality is that if I don't get this, something else will come along.

Manufacturers seem confused to me not really knowing what the market wants. Just about everyone has now bailed out of making a manual except Porsche and its suddenly left a big hole in the market. Hopefully they have discovered we are not all interested in just that 0-60 time with launch control.

 

Manufacturers seem confused to me not really knowing what the market wants. Just about everyone has now bailed out of making a manual except Porsche and its suddenly left a big hole in the market. Hopefully they have discovered we are not all interested in just that 0-60 time with launch control.

No truer words have been spoken

 

You have to admit that probably 80% of manufacturers have quit making a manual when it comes to wanting to buy that car your looking at.

So basically if you want an AWD, 6 Speed Manual in something half practical with really decent power at a price point you can actually afford there has basically been one car to chose from and it came from Subaru and even then they should have never quit the hatchback, the sedan was a bad move I don't want one really, I would rather buy a true STi wagon which is why even my 2004 Legacy is better than a new 2022 WRX.

There are numerous others that get close but they don't tick all the boxes, there is always something missing. These cars from Toyota are not really genius, its just they are always looking for holes in the market to fill and everyone else has bailed out of this market segment.

 

Well the biggest problem with the GRC Circuit Edition is if they decide to only run it for 12 months of production. I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. Some it may appear to be good because they get a "Unique car" that very few people have but for me I would be more worried about parts and ongoing support for it.

I think the the price could be a limiting factor. I'm bracing for the GR Corolla Circuit Edition to be as much as NZD$75K and I think that would kill it for most people with most of them dropping off the list like flies.

 

Well the biggest problem with the GRC Circuit Edition is if they decide to only run it for 12 months of production. I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad thing. Some it may appear to be good because they get a "Unique car" that very few people have but for me I would be more worried about parts and ongoing support for it.

This is exactly why I prefer to get a core with the pp and speaker upgrade rather than the CE.
Honestly the carbon roof and bonnet vents are not enough for me to spend up to an extra 10k