You know how the GRC is a real race car? No sunroof or sunroof option. Racecar
What do you NOT LIKE about your new GRC
And do you plan to just live with these issues or do something to improve them?
No.1 issue for me:
SEATS :
Not enough blustering for a sport/track car. Fast cornering to the right pushes left shoulder against hard pillar plastic. They are too high so I have to set steering wheel to full out and full up to get room for knees not to hit the wheel when shifting or braking.
2 other issues:
Engine is weaker than what reviews had claimed. I knew it would be low on torque but it just does not pull very hard from 2-4K. From seat of pants impression and from trying to merge, it is lacking. Weight and 4WD dont help I guess. Morizo has +20 torque so a proper tune can hopefully add torque down low and more HP.
Brakes have no initial bite. Will try this weekend to bed them in, might help. But will change to DTC-30s before autoX. That should improve brakes instantly.
Annoying but smaller things:
- Rev match off by default and no way to set it (should be addressed with tune)
- Not able to start in sport mode (tune)
- Nav app locked behind a pay wall. Money grab, GPS is built into the car.
- Looks like they glued a tablet to the dash.
Clutch pack heating I knew about, disappointing but should not be an issue for autoX. Track days in high heat maybe. But I am not the fastest guy on track so should be ok.
No.1 issue for me:
SEATS :
Not enough blustering for a sport/track car. Fast cornering to the right pushes left shoulder against hard pillar plastic. They are too high so I have to set steering wheel to full out and full up to get room for knees not to hit the wheel when shifting or braking.
2 other issues:
Engine is weaker than what reviews had claimed. I knew it would be low on torque but it just does not pull very hard from 2-4K. From seat of pants impression and from trying to merge, it is lacking. Weight and 4WD dont help I guess. Morizo has +20 torque so a proper tune can hopefully add torque down low and more HP.
Brakes have no initial bite. Will try this weekend to bed them in, might help. But will change to DTC-30s before autoX. That should improve brakes instantly.
Annoying but smaller things:
- Rev match off by default and no way to set it (should be addressed with tune)
- Not able to start in sport mode (tune)
- Nav app locked behind a pay wall. Money grab, GPS is built into the car.
- Looks like they glued a tablet to the dash.
Clutch pack heating I knew about, disappointing but should not be an issue for autoX. Track days in high heat maybe. But I am not the fastest guy on track so should be ok.
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These are the reviews we need to hear. As much I like this car, I couldn't get myself to buying the first year production, especially on completely new model. Thank you for your real world feedback. Nothing is worse then being duped by paying more for something that feels cheap.The longer I kept the car, the more I hated it. I left a parking lot in the rain a few days before I traded it, and a car which I did not see was coming in my lane. I accelerated harder than I had planned. The front wheels broke loose with the most hellacious wheel hop, which slammed the motor in the passenger side mount. It sounded like a jackhammer directly in the unibody for 2-3 hits before the “AWD” system decided to vector torque to the rear, which stopped it and allowed it to accelerate.
Between the extremely heavy and sloppy dual mass flywheel, cheap plastic interior, uncomfortable non-adjustable seats, fake AWD system, and microscopic interior; the car had to go. I had a CRX and that felt 10x more spacious than that slick black turd. The final nail in the coffin is what it cost me. 40k msrp is absolute nonsense. The GRC is a $28-32k car. NEVER AGAIN.
Not sure what time or planet you hail from, but since the Corolla Hatchback XSE is $28K, saying the GR should be $28-$32K makes no sense.
I paid over sticker for mine and love it.
Anyway, I hope you found a nice CRX that will make you happy.
I paid over sticker for mine and love it.
Anyway, I hope you found a nice CRX that will make you happy.
Lol, of course people coming out of the woodwork to defend this object. I don’t want another CRX, I just said it was more spacious, because they are, and they have sunroofs, and they don’t weigh 3300lbs fueled up. Enjoy your car, it’s a worthy item, but nowhere near what all the YouTube shills who drive it for a day purport it to be.Not sure what time or planet you hail from, but since the Corolla Hatchback XSE is $28K, saying the GR should be $28-$32K makes no sense.
I paid over sticker for mine and love it.
Anyway, I hope you found a nice CRX that will make you happy.
yeah once i realized that you have to keep the phone in the car when initially starting for android auto to not disconnect and have to manually reconnect, i haven't had an issue since. i would walk away after startup and it just didn't know what to do with itselfI wonder if I’m just lucky or if it comes down to which phone you have, but CarPlay has been near flawless with my 13 Pro Max.
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What were your expectations coming in to this car? More than a couple reviewers mentioned the hard plastic in the interior and lack of cargo space because of the raised floor in the rear. You need only have looked at any CHB in the last 3 years to know what interior space was going to be like. Engineering Explained did a video 8 months ago explaining the GR-Four system and how it’s not a “real” AWD system. The flywheel experience is subjective because I have zero issue with how the car drives and shifts.Lol, of course people coming out of the woodwork to defend this object. I don’t want another CRX, I just said it was more spacious, because they are, and they have sunroofs, and they don’t weigh 3300lbs fueled up. Enjoy your car, it’s a worthy item, but nowhere near what all the YouTube shills who drive it for a day purport it to be.
80% of what you mentioned were known elements and you decided to drop $40K on the car anyways. I can get being let down in some regards, but value is subjective. You clearly don’t think that what you get is worth the price of entry. I think it’s just at the cusp of the value proposition. Others think it’s worth more than MSRP.
Centerpunch isn’t coming out of the woodworks to defend the car, he’s laying down facts. A top-end commuter version of the CHB is $28K. There is absolutely zero way, whether you think it’s worth the money or not, that the GR comes in at or just slightly above the non-performance version given the R&D and production costs that went into this car.
uhh that review is misleading as hell lol. just because it goes against the grain doesn't mean it's representative of anythingThese are the reviews we need to hear. As much I like this car, I couldn't get myself to buying the first year production, especially on completely new model. Thank you for your real world feedback. Nothing is worse then being duped by paying more for something that feels cheap.
uhh that review is misleading as hell lol. just because it goes against the grain doesn't mean it's representative of anything
Correct, it’s entirely subjective, it’s only my opinion. I’d rather spend 120k and get a 911. The GR has too many compromises and feels too cheap, with too many engineered compromises to be worth 40k. I’d rather spend 28k and get a standard Corolla that will serve me well as a commuter with no pretense of performance.What were your expectations coming in to this car? More than a couple reviewers mentioned the hard plastic in the interior and lack of cargo space because of the raised floor in the rear. You need only have looked at any CHB in the last 3 years to know what interior space was going to be like. Engineering Explained did a video 8 months ago explaining the GR-Four system and how it’s not a “real” AWD system. The flywheel experience is subjective because I have zero issue with how the car drives and shifts.
80% of what you mentioned were known elements and you decided to drop $40K on the car anyways. I can get being let down in some regards, but value is subjective. You clearly don’t think that what you get is worth the price of entry. I think it’s just at the cusp of the value proposition. Others think it’s worth more than MSRP.
Centerpunch isn’t coming out of the woodworks to defend the car, he’s laying down facts. A top-end commuter version of the CHB is $28K. There is absolutely zero way, whether you think it’s worth the money or not, that the GR comes in at or just slightly above the non-performance version given the R&D and production costs that went into this car.
Yes, many things were explained, which is really just GR Corolla for dummies. Diving in to JTEKT pubs and actually having the car, beta testing and playing with ITCC duty cycles, pushing it, really exposes what it actually is; seeing the forest for the trees.
It’s an el cheapo car that does quite a good job at squeezing out respectable numbers from great brakes, sticky tires, a motor and trans combo pushed to its limit, and a handful of repurposed production parts.
However, the experience of owning the car was just a let down, and I’m not really sure where it fits in to a multi car stable. It’s not exactly a tossable little imp like a GR Yaris, it’s not really that fast like an RS3 or Golf R, and it’s not practical like a CTR. It’s just sort of a quick grippy little molded plastic toy with really soft Toyota paint and lots of cost cutting going on under the skin. Of course, this is just my opinion, and you know what they say. Also, money talks, and my GRC is now at Jim Tidwell Ford in Kennesaw, GA. Really a cherry example with nearly full PPF and expensive tint.
I like my old 911 too, but not sure what that has to do with the GR.
Certainly, for folks looking for a luxurious and roomier car, there are better choices.
I love the functional vibe of the GR, it reminds me of some of my favorite cars ever- my turbocharged GTI Mk I, my 323GTX, and my 3 Renault R5 Turbo 2’s. Basic and tight interior, rough ride, great performance. In this EV-centric world, I still can’t believe the car exists.
There’s no right or wrong here- some folks will love the car, and some won’t. But I’m not sure why someone who found that the car was not for them, sold it, and has moved on, would still be spending time here trying to convince the rest of us that we shouldn’t like it either.
Certainly, for folks looking for a luxurious and roomier car, there are better choices.
I love the functional vibe of the GR, it reminds me of some of my favorite cars ever- my turbocharged GTI Mk I, my 323GTX, and my 3 Renault R5 Turbo 2’s. Basic and tight interior, rough ride, great performance. In this EV-centric world, I still can’t believe the car exists.
There’s no right or wrong here- some folks will love the car, and some won’t. But I’m not sure why someone who found that the car was not for them, sold it, and has moved on, would still be spending time here trying to convince the rest of us that we shouldn’t like it either.
Don't ruin this thread, lets stay on subject.
I can't stand that when I go back to the Toyota "app" it doesn't go back to my radio and it always seems to be on NAV. So I have to go to Music then hit sources and then radio. I feel like if I used the radio last it should be there when I go back from Carplay.
I can't stand that when I go back to the Toyota "app" it doesn't go back to my radio and it always seems to be on NAV. So I have to go to Music then hit sources and then radio. I feel like if I used the radio last it should be there when I go back from Carplay.
5000 mile, 6-month update. All my previous complaints are still valid, and I have noticed a few more.
Still love the car. Still looking to pick up a Circuit edition or equivalent in 2025 or 2026. Really hoping Toyota makes some improvements in the meantime.
I feel more certain now that the car is definitely NOT worth above MSRP. My car came out to $41000~ after taxes and registration with the all-weather mats and the stupid Toyoguard package that SET tacks on. I don't feel that the car is worth a dime over that amount.
- The rear seat occupancy sensors are stupid. I can't put anything heavy in the back seat without the car yelling at me to buckle the rear seatbelts.
- Various little creaks and rattles come and go throughout the interior depending on the weather.
- TPMS will STILL not stay saved in my gauge cluster.
- Toyota dealers have the maintenance schedule for the normal Corolla Hatch in the computers for the GR Corolla. When I went for my first oil change at 5000 miles, they told me according to their schedule the oil change isn't due until 10,000 miles. There's no telling what other GRC specific things are missing from their service system.
- I still haven't fully adjusted to the clutch and dual mass flywheel. Can't shift as smoothly in every scenario as I could with my previous manual cars.
- Car isn't super comfortable for long road trips, but this is to be expected and is fine for the type of car it is trying to be.
- SO. MUCH. BRAKE DUST. I've debated changing the pads early.
- I have accepted that I live in a state of paranoia where I constantly avoid touching the gloss black plastic in the car to avoid scratching it. Doing pretty good so far.
- Cargo space in the hatch sucks
Still love the car. Still looking to pick up a Circuit edition or equivalent in 2025 or 2026. Really hoping Toyota makes some improvements in the meantime.
I feel more certain now that the car is definitely NOT worth above MSRP. My car came out to $41000~ after taxes and registration with the all-weather mats and the stupid Toyoguard package that SET tacks on. I don't feel that the car is worth a dime over that amount.
STOP HAVING FUN!!There’s no right or wrong here- some folks will love the car, and some won’t. But I’m not sure why someone who found that the car was not for them, sold it, and has moved on, would still be spending time here trying to convince the rest of us that we shouldn’t like it either.
For the same reason that people who don't own the car gush about it, like it's god's gift to the automotive world. Just offering my perspective, and now that I don't own it anymore, you won't have to look forward to me poopooing on your car anymore.I like my old 911 too, but not sure what that has to do with the GR.
Certainly, for folks looking for a luxurious and roomier car, there are better choices.
I love the functional vibe of the GR, it reminds me of some of my favorite cars ever- my turbocharged GTI Mk I, my 323GTX, and my 3 Renault R5 Turbo 2’s. Basic and tight interior, rough ride, great performance. In this EV-centric world, I still can’t believe the car exists.
There’s no right or wrong here- some folks will love the car, and some won’t. But I’m not sure why someone who found that the car was not for them, sold it, and has moved on, would still be spending time here trying to convince the rest of us that we shouldn’t like it either.
the last few pages have been great fun.
trying to compare the GRC interior to the CRX interior and saying it's bigger, then saying with (I presume) a straight face, that the CRX was lighter and had a sunroof is hilarious.
when you were 16 and driving your CRX you probably weighed 100lbs less than you do today (not an insult, just the reality of life) so the interior didn't feel quite as cramped. the safety standards that cars have today vs 1987 are a lot tougher too, if a CRX were tested using today's standards it would get 0 stars. the Corolla is built to the safety standards required by law. that represents about 800 to 1000 lbs of extra weight. it's a distractingly silly comparison.
as far as cost and quality, the reality is, the GRC interior is on par (better even) than I recall my Integra GSR being (sans sunroof). why is that important? it's important because in 1998 I paid $20,000 for that car. the buying power of $20,000 today is about $37,000. the GRC, as compared to the GSR offers so many more features. AWD vs FWD, more power/weight to name a few. optional LSD pushes the price higher (which was never an option for the GSR). the place where the quality feels very similar is the interior. manual cloth seats, some soft touch surfaces, but mostly just a utilitarian interior that highlights what both of these cars do well, which is drive.
you don't have to like the car, we are all unique and different individuals and have different life experiences that mold who we are and what we want, your reasons don't have to make rational sense to anyone else. what you do have to expect is for other people to point out where your reasons are very irrational.
and I'm here to tell you, $40,000 today has the buying power of what $21,500 had in 1998 (25 years ago). is that depressing, and is that a cumulative price change of 85%? yes and yes.
trying to compare the GRC interior to the CRX interior and saying it's bigger, then saying with (I presume) a straight face, that the CRX was lighter and had a sunroof is hilarious.
when you were 16 and driving your CRX you probably weighed 100lbs less than you do today (not an insult, just the reality of life) so the interior didn't feel quite as cramped. the safety standards that cars have today vs 1987 are a lot tougher too, if a CRX were tested using today's standards it would get 0 stars. the Corolla is built to the safety standards required by law. that represents about 800 to 1000 lbs of extra weight. it's a distractingly silly comparison.
as far as cost and quality, the reality is, the GRC interior is on par (better even) than I recall my Integra GSR being (sans sunroof). why is that important? it's important because in 1998 I paid $20,000 for that car. the buying power of $20,000 today is about $37,000. the GRC, as compared to the GSR offers so many more features. AWD vs FWD, more power/weight to name a few. optional LSD pushes the price higher (which was never an option for the GSR). the place where the quality feels very similar is the interior. manual cloth seats, some soft touch surfaces, but mostly just a utilitarian interior that highlights what both of these cars do well, which is drive.
you don't have to like the car, we are all unique and different individuals and have different life experiences that mold who we are and what we want, your reasons don't have to make rational sense to anyone else. what you do have to expect is for other people to point out where your reasons are very irrational.
and I'm here to tell you, $40,000 today has the buying power of what $21,500 had in 1998 (25 years ago). is that depressing, and is that a cumulative price change of 85%? yes and yes.
Putting things in that perspective holds the point that it's crazy for people to think this car is worth $30K. 2011 WRX STI was $35K MSRP. Accounting for inflation, that would be $48K today.the last few pages have been great fun.
trying to compare the GRC interior to the CRX interior and saying it's bigger, then saying with (I presume) a straight face, that the CRX was lighter and had a sunroof is hilarious.
when you were 16 and driving your CRX you probably weighed 100lbs less than you do today (not an insult, just the reality of life). the safety standards that cars have today vs 1987 are a lot tougher too, if a CRX were tested using today's standards it would get 0 stars. the Corolla is built to the safety standards required by law. that represents about 800 to 1000 lbs of extra weight. it's a distractingly silly comparison.
the reality is, the GRC interior is on par (better even) than I recall my Integra GSR being (sans sunroof). why is that important? it's important because in 1998 I paid $20,000 for that car. the buying power of $20,000 today is about $37,000. the GRC, as compared to the GSR offers so many more features. AWD vs FWD, more power/weight to name a few. optional LSD pushes the price higher (which was never an option for the GSR). the place where the quality feels very similar is the interior. manual cloth seats, some soft touch surfaces, but mostly just a utilitarian interior that highlights what both of these cars do well, which is drive.
you don't have to like the car, we are all unique and different individuals and have different life experiences that mold who we are and what we want, your reasons don't have to make rational sense to anyone else. what you do have to expect is for other people to point out where your reasons are very irrational.
and I'm here to tell you, $40,000 today has the buying power of what $21,500 had in 1998 (25 years ago). is that depressing, and is that a cumulative price change of 85%? yes and yes.
In 2016 I bought a Focus RS for about the same money. This is the better car, from a better company.Putting things in that perspective holds the point that it's crazy for people to think this car is worth $30K. 2011 WRX STI was $35K MSRP. Accounting for inflation, that would be $48K today.
OK, I figured it out. Just posting this in case anyone else eventually has this issue.There are a limited number of "favorite" channels allowed in the audio system. During the Sirius trial I added about a dozen or so Sirius channels as "Favorites," and added 3 FM channels, to fill up the favorites.
The Sirius trial is over, and the radio knows too much to let me access those channels, so as far as I can tell, there is no way to remove them from my Favorites. So I'm stuck with only 3 usable favorites.
I selected an FM channel that was in my favorites, then clicked favorites, and the left column lets you scroll down through ALL favorites, with an option to edit the list. So I edited it, and scrolled down, removing the sirius favorites that I no longer have access to.
1. the rear seat stuff can be disabled5000 mile, 6-month update. All my previous complaints are still valid, and I have noticed a few more.
- The rear seat occupancy sensors are stupid. I can't put anything heavy in the back seat without the car yelling at me to buckle the rear seatbelts.
- Various little creaks and rattles come and go throughout the interior depending on the weather.
- TPMS will STILL not stay saved in my gauge cluster.
- Toyota dealers have the maintenance schedule for the normal Corolla Hatch in the computers for the GR Corolla. When I went for my first oil change at 5000 miles, they told me according to their schedule the oil change isn't due until 10,000 miles. There's no telling what other GRC specific things are missing from their service system.
- I still haven't fully adjusted to the clutch and dual mass flywheel. Can't shift as smoothly in every scenario as I could with my previous manual cars.
- Car isn't super comfortable for long road trips, but this is to be expected and is fine for the type of car it is trying to be.
- SO. MUCH. BRAKE DUST. I've debated changing the pads early.
- I have accepted that I live in a state of paranoia where I constantly avoid touching the gloss black plastic in the car to avoid scratching it. Doing pretty good so far.
- Cargo space in the hatch sucks
Still love the car. Still looking to pick up a Circuit edition or equivalent in 2025 or 2026. Really hoping Toyota makes some improvements in the meantime.
I feel more certain now that the car is definitely NOT worth above MSRP. My car came out to $41000~ after taxes and registration with the all-weather mats and the stupid Toyoguard package that SET tacks on. I don't feel that the car is worth a dime over that amount.
2. how in the fuck did your car come out to 41k after everything. mine was nearly 5k in taxes ALONE. do you live in an african rainforest?
Correct, it's the horrible truth of runaway money printing. However, in my dirty stinky obviously morally debased opinion, I wouldn't pay over $30k for this car and be happy, that's how much I hated it. I can get way more performance and comfort out of a used 335i for $30k. What I can't get out of a 335 is exclusivity of driving Akio Toyoda's pet project, reliability (although you guys just wait for those Aisin BG6 issues) and street cred with the youtube kids.the last few pages have been great fun.
trying to compare the GRC interior to the CRX interior and saying it's bigger, then saying with (I presume) a straight face, that the CRX was lighter and had a sunroof is hilarious.
when you were 16 and driving your CRX you probably weighed 100lbs less than you do today (not an insult, just the reality of life) so the interior didn't feel quite as cramped. the safety standards that cars have today vs 1987 are a lot tougher too, if a CRX were tested using today's standards it would get 0 stars. the Corolla is built to the safety standards required by law. that represents about 800 to 1000 lbs of extra weight. it's a distractingly silly comparison.
as far as cost and quality, the reality is, the GRC interior is on par (better even) than I recall my Integra GSR being (sans sunroof). why is that important? it's important because in 1998 I paid $20,000 for that car. the buying power of $20,000 today is about $37,000. the GRC, as compared to the GSR offers so many more features. AWD vs FWD, more power/weight to name a few. optional LSD pushes the price higher (which was never an option for the GSR). the place where the quality feels very similar is the interior. manual cloth seats, some soft touch surfaces, but mostly just a utilitarian interior that highlights what both of these cars do well, which is drive.
you don't have to like the car, we are all unique and different individuals and have different life experiences that mold who we are and what we want, your reasons don't have to make rational sense to anyone else. what you do have to expect is for other people to point out where your reasons are very irrational.
and I'm here to tell you, $40,000 today has the buying power of what $21,500 had in 1998 (25 years ago). is that depressing, and is that a cumulative price change of 85%? yes and yes.
We had a lot of fun while we broke her in, the kids loved mimicking the recirculation valve in the back seat, and it was a little roller coaster in the twistys... but this is the fat girl in the back of the bar that will have fun with anyone. I'll see myself out now, have fun guys.
1.) Infotainment or cluster settings? I think I looked before and couldn't find it.1. the rear seat stuff can be disabled
2. how in the fuck did your car come out to 41k after everything. mine was nearly 5k in taxes ALONE. do you live in an african rainforest?
2.) Alabama so pretty much.
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