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Holy shit I'd love a wagon. I'm going from a Lexus IS300 Sportcross wagon to the GRC and although the cargo dimensions for the GRC are overall slightly larger, I'm sure I'll miss the depth of the wagon. That said, I'm sure the extra weight would draw us further from the GRY's handling feel so I'm torn. Happy to have a normal hatch.

The sedan is meh.
 

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Sedan is not going to happen and I hope it doesn't for reasons explained later, they are just not a seller anymore. The wagon is great but apparently not even a big seller in New Zealand anymore. The market has moved onto the SUV over here in huge numbers, basically that is all that is actually selling in the new car department. I took a really expensive one for a test drive, they are truly horrible to drive, all I can say is the average person is totally clueless in what makes a "Drivers Car".

Hence we find ourselves at what can only be described as the very bottom of the market in terms of "Drivers car" options. It has taken years but GR has finally come to light to save the day. Subaru really could have chosen to smash it with a 400Hp STi and they quit on us. Things were looking like it was game over until Toyota woke up and smelt the coffee. We can only hope they just go from strength to strength in this market segment now. What we don't need is more models slowing down the line but more of what they are currently making coming off the line because it looks great on paper but if you cannot actually buy one then its all a waste of time.
 

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Sedan is not going to happen and I hope it doesn't for reasons explained later, they are just not a seller anymore. The wagon is great but apparently not even a big seller in New Zealand anymore. The market has moved onto the SUV over here in huge numbers, basically that is all that is actually selling in the new car department. I took a really expensive one for a test drive, they are truly horrible to drive, all I can say is the average person is totally clueless in what makes a "Drivers Car".

Hence we find ourselves at what can only be described as the very bottom of the market in terms of "Drivers car" options. It has taken years but GR has finally come to light to save the day. Subaru really could have chosen to smash it with a 400Hp STi and they quit on us. Things were looking like it was game over until Toyota woke up and smelt the coffee. We can only hope they just go from strength to strength in this market segment now. What we don't need is more models slowing down the line but more of what they are currently making coming off the line because it looks great on paper but if you cannot actually buy one then its all a waste of time.
Eh, Toyota was developing the Corolla for awhile before Subaru decided to axe the STI and so on. Just so happened to release at a time where Subaru was tied up from emissions and manufacturers are somewhat trying to transition to EVs. So it seems like Toyota all of a sudden “woke up and smelt the coffee.” (Again, all been planned for some time)

Some of your statements I do agree with though.
 

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Considering that the new Subaru concept car came out in 2018 and I noticed the new Toyota GRC like a week ago and hence joined this Forum, I would say the dropping of the STi was deliberate to make market share available for the GRC.

Right up until the shock announcement in Feb 2022, that the STi had been canned and it was only coming out as the WRX cannot possibly be a coincidence sorry.

Something happened quite some time ago where the STi was canned and at the same time the GRC went ahead.

Lets be honest here a 400Hp STi would have killed the GRC down here in NZ. It basically looks like the price will be the same, possibly the GRC Circuit Edition is going to be more expensive than the top spec premium edition STi, even more than the last limited SAIGO edition STi of which 20 came into NZ.

The really good news is that the new GRC Circuit Edition will kill it for people trying to sell the STi Saigo edition second hand for more than a brand new AMG A45S and trying to double their money. Try NZD$130K for an STi, its hilarious.

 

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Considering that the new Subaru concept car came out in 2018 and I noticed the new Toyota GRC like a week ago and hence joined this Forum, I would say the dropping of the STi was deliberate to make market share available for the GRC.

Right up until the shock announcement in Feb 2022, that the STi had been canned and it was only coming out as the WRX cannot possibly be a coincidence sorry.

Something happened quite some time ago where the STi was canned and at the same time the GRC went ahead.

Lets be honest here a 400Hp STi would have killed the GRC down here in NZ. It basically looks like the price will be the same, possibly the GRC Circuit Edition is going to be more expensive than the top spec premium edition STi, even more than the last limited SAIGO edition STi of which 20 came into NZ.

The really good news is that the new GRC Circuit Edition will kill it for people trying to sell the STi Saigo edition second hand for more than a brand new AMG A45S and trying to double their money. Try NZD$130K for an STi, its hilarious.

The GRC has been in development before the Yaris per chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto. The GRC has been rumored all the way back in 2018 from Tetsuya Tada, where the rumors made rounds in the Corolla forums and AE86 fb groups. So around the same time as the release of the STI concept.
 

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That is a great color for that car.

I'd definitely take the sedan version if that were an option, as I'm not a fan of the bubble butt design of the GRC. It's like Toyota wanted a smoother version of the CHR's rear. But given the chance, that won't stop me from getting a GRC.
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The GRC has been in development before the Yaris per chief engineer Naoyuki Sakamoto. The GRC has been rumored all the way back in 2018 from Tetsuya Tada, where the rumors made rounds in the Corolla forums and AE86 fb groups. So around the same time as the release of the STI concept.

Not the same thing, Subaru already essentially had a car not a rumour of one they just took far long to get it to market. The GRC just happens to make the same power as the STi did and slots straight into a hole in the lineup, funny that.

Anyway the STi is history for at least years and that loyal fan base will move elsewhere and it could be pretty hard to get back. It really doesn't pay to dump something you have taken decades building up, I mean Toyota could have called it something different to a Corolla but the last one I owned was a KE70 from 1980 so it pays to stick to a name that people already know.
 
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