The wing on the CE in the pictures and videos is not final, it's just a Core/ME wing. Sakamoto-san told me it was going to be "a little bigger" but couldn't really explain more than that. Not sure why there's a holdup, I was thinking there was a redesign from the original big wing for MPG target reasons, but that is pure speculation.I’m sure people will ask how close final production is for the CE wing and the validity of the center arm rest or if that won’t be a thing haha.
Awesome thank you! Your review was excellent! It’s nice to hear more about it related to the souls of the GRC vs just the “car”The wing on the CE in the pictures and videos is not final, it's just a Core/ME wing. Sakamoto-san told me it was going to be "a little bigger" but couldn't really explain more than that. Not sure why there's a holdup, I was thinking there was a redesign from the original big wing for MPG target reasons, but that is pure speculation.
The armrest supposedly will come! I was told that it "should be there for start of production" so take that as you will.
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You know what, I did not! Totally slipped my mind that it was even in testing. I'll see if I can find a way to ask.Thanks for your wonderful video. Did you ask him about the new GR Yaris-tested 8 speed Direct Automatic and its plans for the GR Corolla?
Only on the Morizo@Guff, is the cut out in the carpet for a harness only on the Morizo? Is this available in the Core and Circuit?
So from what I have been told, their focus has always been stability for the car from the beginning. With the heavier weight and longer wheelbase of the Corolla, it inherently was going to be less rowdy than the Yaris. Apparently they have had prototype configurations ranging from super safe/understeery to really twitchy, and they landed on what they have now as a good in between balance. Akio always kept pushing them to tune out understeer and so it makes sense why the Morizo edition ended up having the stiffest rear spring rate of the bunch.Tell us more of the background development, what issues did they have, if any, what Akio wanted etc.
What about hydrogen?
I think I'm unqualified to answer the first question, as I have not driven a Focus RS or TTRS. Evo X's I found to be far too dead in its inputs, and all the older Evos are far more raw. I'd say it definitely is closer to an STi, but even then, it doesn't have the general pushiness of an STi, the GR Corolla feels much more buttoned down and neutral.As for similarities. Would you say this car drive more like a Evo, STI, Focus RS or TTRS? Or something in between these cars. Also, I'm curious if the steering feel is as good as the 86?
But when I consider steering I break it down into 4 categories:
1. Rack speed: how fast does it point the front wheels
2. Steering weighting: how much effort is required to turn the wheel and how much does it push back against your hands
3. Feedback/Feel: the vibration, bumpiness, road texture that is transmitted to your hands
4. Accuracy: how easy/natural is it to place the car exactly where you want
For the GRC,
1. The rack speed is good. It's 12.7:1 which is a reasonably quick ratio. And it's linear, meaning it doesn't feel dead on center and oversped after 20 degrees like the Supra. The input on center turns the wheels the same as input at 20 degrees off center.
2. Weight is fine. I think it changes a little bit with the settings in the infotainment, but overall it's very average. Not super heavy, not overly light. This can be a big preference thing so I can't tell you if it's good or bad, but I liked it. I hate heavy wheels unless it's a manual rack, and I hate overly assisted wheels because it feels fake.
3. Feedback is not good. It does not transmit very much at all. This was my biggest disappointment about the car. The GR86 let's you feel the texture of the road, how rocky it is, how smooth it is. This car does not, it's very dead. Electric power steering often has this issue, but Toyota engineers usually focus on it, so I'm surprised it's not good here.
4. When you combine all these factors, the overall accuracy is good. Even with the roll of the chassis, it is very easy to point the GR Corolla where you want to. You never find yourself sawing at the wheel to try and get the car pointed in a particular direction. The wheel in your hands very naturally points the tires on the ground, and the car grips well enough to make sure you travel in your intended direction.
Hope that helps!
This is a very detailed account. Based on your comments, I can get a good idea of how it must have felt.I think I'm unqualified to answer the first question, as I have not driven a Focus RS or TTRS. Evo X's I found to be far too dead in its inputs, and all the older Evos are far more raw. I'd say it definitely is closer to an STi, but even then, it doesn't have the general pushiness of an STi, the GR Corolla feels much more buttoned down and neutral.
As far as steering is concerned, the 86 is far superior. In pretty much every aspect. I'll copy pasta my thoughts on the steering from the other thread:
Rev hang is one of those things where if it's not there, it never crosses your mind; and if it is there, it really ruins your experience.Hi Guff, I was wondering your thoughts on throttle response and rev hang for the GRC? How would you compare it with the GR86 or ND Miata? In my mind, the ND is among the best in both these categories, with the GR86 a tier just below.
Core with LSD and Circuit drive exactly the same. Whether or not the aesthetics of the Circuit are worth the extra cash is up to you. It's essentially a hood, wing, carbon roof, painted calipers and alcantara seats. I reckon the vast majority of that cost is the carbon roof.What's your view on Core vs Circuit? Here in Canada the price difference between a core with LSD and circuit is almost 10k, wondering if it's worth it or not...
