[DevonK]

I just did a comparison of the Toyota Canada and Toyotas US press releases for the GR Corolla - they are identical except for a few key differences.

For one, the Canadian PR does not include the following found in the US version: "Front and rear LSD is available as part of the Performance Package on the Core grade, with 4WD open differentials standard." The obvious inference is that Canada will not be getting the Performance Package option.

2. The US PR has "Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging with full charge indicator light is standard on the Circuit Edition and available as part of the Technology package on the Core Grade. " The Canadian one does not include the "and available..." bit so no Technology Package either.

Finally, no option packages are listed at the end of the PR in the Canadian version.

So basically if you can't get one of the Circuit editions - which if you didn't have a deposit in months ago is going to be the case - you are screwed. Thanks Toyota. Doubt I'd want this car without the LSDs, too much of a handful.

 

[wind_slash]

but no adm though :]

 

[Jeonsa]

Apparently you guys aren’t getting many Cores either at the end of this year.

 

[DevonK]

Mods I see now there is a thread in the Canadian section dealing with this issue - maybe my post above should be moved into that discussion

 

[landyman71]

I just did a comparison of the Toyota Canada and Toyotas US press releases for the GR Corolla - they are identical except for a few key differences.

For one, the Canadian PR does not include the following found in the US version: "Front and rear LSD is available as part of the Performance Package on the Core grade, with 4WD open differentials standard." The obvious inference is that Canada will not be getting the Performance Package option.

2. The US PR has "Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging with full charge indicator light is standard on the Circuit Edition and available as part of the Technology package on the Core Grade. " The Canadian one does not include the "and available..." bit so no Technology Package either.

Finally, no option packages are listed at the end of the PR in the Canadian version.

So basically if you can't get one of the Circuit editions - which if you didn't have a deposit in months ago is going to be the case - you are screwed. Thanks Toyota. Doubt I'd want this car without the LSDs, too much of a handful.

Or it actually may be better. It could be that there is no performance pack mentioned because it comes as standard and there is no option to remove them. I’m pretty sure that the Civic Si is better appointed as standard in Canada than the US

 

[Tokyotexan]

But don't blame Toyota....
Rather....

 

[Cptnslo]

Or it actually may be better. It could be that there is no performance pack mentioned because it comes as standard and there is no option to remove them. I’m pretty sure that the Civic Si is better appointed as standard in Canada than the US

This is EXACTLY what throttlehouse just touched on when they reviewed the integra

 

[underscore]

I did a full text comparison of the releases when they came out, it should be floating around here somewhere. There were enough other random differences between them that I'm hoping that they were split from the original draft, then revised several times independently, then released, and that the Canadian one just didn't get some info the American one did.

The way it's currently worded the LSDs would not come standard in Canada. It does say we get heated seats as standard though, which is nice. I'm not too worried though, you can buy the rear diff and swap it in separately for not a lot of money. I know it's not as good as having them front and rear from the factory, but it'd be good enough for me.

 

[underscore]

Found it, here you go:


I noticed the US and Canadian articles from Toyota were different, so I ran a comparison on the text. I'm not sure if they just used different revisions of the same article but there's quite a few differences. There were a lot of minor punctuation/capitalization changes that I ignored and I removed any text that was the same in both articles.

Anything not in the other release is in bold

USA

Complimentary 1-year membership to the National Auto Sport Association, featuring a High-Performance Driving Event with expert instruction

The GR Corolla Circuit Edition is also equipped with front and rear Torsen Limited-Slip Differentials (LSD), which offer enhanced cornering performance and grip with control of left and right-hand drive torque distribution on the front and rear axles. Front and rear LSD is available as part of the Performance Package on the Core grade, with 4WD open differentials standard.

Automatic climate control, power windows with one-touch auto up/down and heated front seats and steering wheel standard on Circuit Edition. Heated front seats and steering wheel are available with the of Cold Weather package option on Core Grade.

Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging with full charge indicator light is standard on the Circuit Edition and available as part of the Technology package on the Core Grade.

GR Corolla comes with a one year trial subscription of Toyota Safety Connect® at no additional cost — includes Emergency Assistance, Stolen Vehicle Locator, Roadside Assistance and Automatic Collision Notification.

Option Packages

GR Corolla Core Grade is available with the following packages:

Performance package: Includes front and rear Torsen Limited Slip Differentials (LSD).
Technology package: Includes Premium Audio with Dynamic Navigation and JBL® w/Clari-Fi®, and Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging.
Cold Weather Package: Includes heated front seats and heated steering wheel.

Canada

Available in two grades: Core and launch-year-exclusive Circuit Edition

Toyota’s Safety Sense 3.0 (TSS 3.0) system will also come standard.

The GR Corolla Circuit Edition is also equipped with front and rear Torsen Limited-Slip Differentials (LSD) which offer enhanced cornering performance and grip with control of left and right-hand drive torque distribution on the front and rear axles.

Automatic climate control, power windows with one-touch auto up/down, and heated front seats and steering wheel standard on Circuit Edition. Heated front seats are also standard on the Core Grade.

Qi-compatible wireless smartphone charging with full charge indicator light is standard on the Circuit Edition.

The all-new Toyota Multimedia system will come standard on all GR Corollas. Featuring an 8-inch touchscreen, the system offers an improved user experience through sight, touch and voice. Standard wake word-activated Toyota Assistant allows you to adjust various vehicle settings, like climate control or media. With Intelligent Assistant available through Drive Connect*, simple phrases like “Hey Toyota” awaken the system for natural voice commands to search for directions, find Google POIs and more.

The cloud-based native navigation system, also offered through Drive Connect, allows for real-time traffic updates, dynamic route suggestions and integrates Google POI data to ensure up-to-date search capability. It also supports standard wireless Apple CarPlay® and Android Auto compatibility as well as dual Bluetooth phone pairing.

The Core grade receives an 8” Toyota Multimedia with Service Connect (up to 5-yr trial), Remote Connect (3-yr trial), Safety Connect (3-yr trial), Drive Connect enabled (paid subscription required) along with 6-speaker audio system and standard wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto compatibility. To learn more, visit toyota.ca/toyotamultimedia

The Circuit Edition adds a 3-year Drive Connect (Cloud Navigation, Intelligent Assistant, Destination Assist) trial along with 8 JBL speakers with amplifier.

There's a lot of weird grammar in both releases so hopefully it was just rushed a bit and that's why there are discrepancies. But if these are correct we get standard heated seats but no optional packages for the Core which most critically would mean no torsen diffs from the factory.

There are aftermarket LSDs for the Yaris, but it has different ratios than the Corolla so you'd have to wait for those to be developed. I did manage to find an Aussie with an open diff GR Yaris who was able to purchase a rear LSD from Toyota for $2150 AUD (~$2k CAD) so hopefully we'd at least be able to do the same.

 

[Taroroot]

There are aftermarket LSDs for the Yaris, but it has different ratios than the Corolla so you'd have to wait for those to be developed. I did manage to find an Aussie with an open diff GR Yaris who was able to purchase a rear LSD from Toyota for $2150 AUD (~$2k CAD) so hopefully we'd at least be able to do the same.

I'd say theres a good chance GRY LSDs, aftermarket or otherwise, will swap in no prob to the GRC. The difference is in the final drive, which usually doesn't have anything to do with the diff part. Keep whatever ring gear you have and swap it over to the new diff.

 

[underscore]

Even if they don't, I can't see any reason why I couldn't buy a GRC rear LSD from Toyota and have it swapped in the same way the Aussie GRY owner did. The price should be vaguely the same too.

 

[Tronic]

Toyota. Doubt I'd want this car without the LSDs, too much of a handful.

To be honest most buyers couldn't tell the difference. Wouldn't you need to get on the track and start pushing it to the limit ? Let's not get carried away it's only 300Hp and has 4WD and I have driven open diff RWD only with 250Hp no problem. Far more important setups with the car than the diff.

 

[Wynorrific]

To be honest most buyers couldn't tell the difference. Wouldn't you need to get on the track and start pushing it to the limit ? Let's not get carried away it's only 300Hp and has 4WD and I have driven open diff RWD only with 250Hp no problem. Far more important setups with the car than the diff.

In places like Canada that get snow, LSD's will probably be a necessity or high tier want. Granted you get more out of snow tires than a diff, having both is very helpful

 

[wind_slash]

gonna need that LSD to compensate for my bald tires

 

[underscore]

You don't need LSDs or even AWD for snow. Almost everyone is getting around fine with a 2WD car that has open diffs.

Snow + a rear LSD does let me get the rear end out in my GTFour and my wifes Rav4 in the snow at low, non-frightening speeds though. I'm actually hoping the front LSD doesn't provide too much extra grip because I do enjoy driving like an idiot in the winter.

 

[DevonK]

More bad news today. A sales manager at a major GTA dealership I talked to this afternoon told me he has heard directly from Toyota Canada that there will be no Circuit editions sold in this country, Cores only. And he does not know if there will be Performance Pack option availability.

He estimates that his dealership will get 3 or 4 cars in the 2023 model year. They currently have about 15 folks on their waiting list and aren't taking reservations any more. I think someone else in this region posted recently that he'd called about 10 dealerships in the GTA and heard much the same from all of them. Looks like I will be shopping elsewhere for a car.

 

[DevonK]

Or it actually may be better. It could be that there is no performance pack mentioned because it comes as standard and there is no option to remove them. I’m pretty sure that the Civic Si is better appointed as standard in Canada than the US

You are right about the Civic. But I don't think it likely that the carefully reworked press release for the Canadian version or the GRC would have omitted something so substantial about the car if it is standard. It goes into detail about all other aspects of the vehicle, after all.

 

[landyman71]

You are right about the Civic. But I don't think it likely that the carefully reworked press release for the Canadian version or the GRC would have omitted something so substantial about the car if it is standard. It goes into detail about all other aspects of the vehicle, after all.

But doesn’t the Canadian press release also say Canada is getting the Circuit? And the dealer you mentioned said it wasn’t. All I’ve got to say is fingers crossed for Canada

 

[AE86Guy]

I would literally not even consider this car without LSDs. You're taking the "hot" out of "hot hatch" wtf.

 

[killer23d]

I expect some equipment will be standard for Canada to simplified the process. Since Toyota Canada to me operates as a "licensee" of Toyota North America, they have little to no incentive to create more SKUs for a car that will be sold in the lower hundreds.

The more I hear about the news, the more I am into the Type-R camp. The more I think about the utility of the Corolla HB that I am driving, it seems the Type-R will be something a bit more upscale and has the storage space. The excitement is wearing thin on me for sure.

About "no adm", technically ADM is legal in Canada as long as it's included in the drive-out costs; and Toyota Canada can't interfere with dealer's business. There are also ways dealers go about them like selling it and buying it back as used. Dealers are not friends so I expect them to rip as much off as they possibly can. If some dealers have 10+ people on the list, I wish those people good luck.