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What I'm reading is "were going to definitely miss our mark with 23 MY CE production so let's throw them a bone next year". The context that they would release this info before the first circuit rolled off the line is where I'm drawing my conclusion.
Yup. Masking the mistake as benevolence.
 

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I may be in the minority, but I don't care about the exclusivity. Long term, I want the parts to be available and easy to get.
Same. Honestly get over it. Collectors? This is a GRC not a Ferrari. Anyone worrying about collectors value at this level of car needs some help.

Well so much for those FOMO clowns claiming the car would be made for 1 year only. And so much for the people that were claiming there weren鈥檛 going to be a 2024 SE. Y鈥榓ll all wrong.
 

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Same. Honestly get over it. Collectors? This is a GRC not a Ferrari. Anyone worrying about collectors value at this level of car needs some help.

Well so much for those FOMO clowns claiming the car would be made for 1 year only. And so much for the people that were claiming there wain鈥檛 going to be a 2024 SE. Y鈥榓ll all wrong.
i thought i had hot takes

this absolutely can be a collectors car. in many years. there's collector cars at even the ~20k msrp level years ago
 

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Again, for those holding out for a CE.

Suede interior gets worn out quick especially the steering wheel. Gloves or not, you might as well buy 2 spare steering wheels or cover the steering wheel lol.
The CE doesn鈥檛 have a suede steering wheel, the Morizo does.

I鈥檝e had Alcantara in my STi and Brin Naub in my RS, no wear like you are describing at all to the point of I read a false statement in your post.
 

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i thought i had hot takes

this absolutely can be a collectors car. in many years. there's collector cars at even the ~20k msrp level years ago
Sure anything can. You can buy a fancy lawn mower and call it a collectors thing. You can buy those Yeezys and do the same. The CE is just a more limited trim. That鈥檚 it. How valuable is a launch edition Supra at this point? That鈥檚 rhetorical by the way.
 

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Core without diffs is most comparable to a WRX
Disagree. The STI had full drivetrain upgrades over the WRX. Better front, rear, and center diffs. Better brakes. Better transmission. Better suspension. Better engine. A base Core to a Circuit is literally just the front and rear diffs (the center "diff" is the same); everything else is the same.
 

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Disagree. The STI had full drivetrain upgrades over the WRX. Better front, rear, and center diffs. Better brakes. Better transmission. Better suspension. Better engine. A base Core to a Circuit is literally just the front and rear diffs (the center "diff" is the same); everything else is the same.

Clarify what you mean because we have no center diff lol. I鈥檓 assuming you just meant end to end? Core is open diffy unless you get the performance package.
 

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Sure anything can. You can buy a fancy lawn mower and call it a collectors thing. You can buy those Yeezys and do the same. The CE is just a more limited trim. That鈥檚 it. How valuable is a launch edition Supra at this point? That鈥檚 rhetorical by the way.
well, i think in 15-20 years, that launch edition or circuit edition will be worth quite a lot more than the core. you always see these special edition type things at mecum auctions pulling in significant sums moreso than the base model

if i was a rich old dude, i would splurge for a circuit in 2045. they'll all probably be lower mileage as countless dealer owners and other such people are just going to hoard them
 

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Clarify what you mean because we have no center diff lol. I鈥檓 assuming you just meant end to end? Core is open diffy unless you get the performance package.
I mean that the torque split device that shuttles power from the front to rear is the same between the core and the Circuit. That鈥檚 why 鈥渄iff鈥 is in quotes. It isn鈥檛 an actual differential but there is a mechanism that effectively does the same thing. From WRX to STI, the mechanism to split torque front to rear is different.
 

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well, i think in 15-20 years, that launch edition or circuit edition will be worth quite a lot more than the core. you always see these special edition type things at mecum auctions pulling in significant sums moreso than the base model

if i was a rich old dude, i would splurge for a circuit in 2045. they'll all probably be lower mileage as countless dealer owners and other such people are just going to hoard them
This is just nonsense at this point. You are the guy that calls every dealer up and down the Eastern seaboard every other day as you proclaimed on here. The CE is a cosmetic edition, nothing more.

I can see a lot of the the collector type people jumping from the Circuit list and getting on the Morizo list.
That would be correct. There is your real limited edition collectors GRC right there.
 

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This doesn't come as a surpirise to me. Been saying all along that there will prob be special editions every year. They're just keeping the CE name, which is fine, they may have planned to use this name all this time actually and moved it up to use it for the first year since they couldn't make enough to do a Launch Edition. So I guess they expect to meet the 1500 units for the first year? I was almost thinking they were going to annouce they were extending the CE into the next year, which meant they had another year to meet the 1500 total units. My guess is the second CE will have a different exclusive color, almost guaranteed. Eveything else the same, maybe the torque bump.
 

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I owned special edition cars from 2016-2020 then something ruined them for me. I鈥檓 in the car industry and I was talking to people from the Subaru鈥檚 corporate office. I was talking about the special editions in the BRZ and STI and they made a point to tell me that the special editions literally exist to keep momentum in sales especially in performance cars. I mean, it鈥檚 no secret right? But being told this pretty much killed them for me.

My perspective on special edition cars changed because I see the weight of the business influence compared to the value of exclusivity (and even some upgrades).

The only exception to me are factory/tuned cars like the S2000 CR, BRZ tS, S209, Morizo Edition (to name a few).

The Circuit Edition is cool and if you really want one you should get it (you鈥檇 be fine in a fully loaded Core though). The increased supply should help out a little in bringing the car to market.
 

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I owned special edition cars from 2016-2020 then something ruined them for me. I鈥檓 in the car industry and I was talking to people from the Subaru鈥檚 corporate office. I was talking about the special editions in the BRZ and STI and they made a point to tell me that the special editions literally exist to keep momentum in sales especially in performance cars. I mean, it鈥檚 no secret right? But being told this pretty much killed them for me.

My perspective on special edition cars changed because I see the weight of the business influence compared to the value of exclusivity (and even some upgrades).

The only exception to me are factory/tuned cars like the S2000 CR, BRZ tS, S209, Morizo Edition (to name a few).

The Circuit Edition is cool and if you really want one you should get it (you鈥檇 be fine in a fully loaded Core though). The increased supply should help out a little in bringing the car to market.
You're not wrong for sure that its about building hype. It still does help that special edition hold value better as well as feel a little more special knowing you were able to get something a little more exclusive.
 

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I owned special edition cars from 2016-2020 then something ruined them for me. I鈥檓 in the car industry and I was talking to people from the Subaru鈥檚 corporate office. I was talking about the special editions in the BRZ and STI and they made a point to tell me that the special editions literally exist to keep momentum in sales especially in performance cars. I mean, it鈥檚 no secret right? But being told this pretty much killed them for me.

My perspective on special edition cars changed because I see the weight of the business influence compared to the value of exclusivity (and even some upgrades).

The only exception to me are factory/tuned cars like the S2000 CR, BRZ tS, S209, Morizo Edition (to name a few).

The Circuit Edition is cool and if you really want one you should get it (you鈥檇 be fine in a fully loaded Core though). The increased supply should help out a little in bringing the car to market.
Yeah if the Circuit Edition was more of a lightweight package I would understand to an extent, but the Morizo is kind of that anyways. Lol
 
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