Id say it will be close to the premium WRX with thr core model. It obviously has more HP than the GTI and WRX but they can't price themselves out. So 36k with no packages seems about right. But im just waiting until Toyota releases the price which should be soonish. End of this month or June is what rumors are pointing to.
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That’s okay, if they really thought it was going to be low 30s range they were VERY hopeful.You also have to consider the competition. A last gen CTR technically started at what…$38 I think? A Golf R starts at 45, but it’s a semi-luxury car that only comes fully loaded with a bunch of stuff Toyota isn’t offering on the GRC. Etc. Also, Toyota will definitely not want the core to cost as much as a base 4 cylinder Zupr4 since it’s their halo car. They’ll probably be fine with the Circuit bumping up against it since it’s a special edition that will be very limited.
I think your answers are there, but I also think they’ll want a totally base core to start in well equipped WRX/GTI territory so it gives people shopping those something to think about. But the folks expecting low 30s and even mid 30s are almost certainly going to be disappointed. I’m planning/budgeting for the core with PP I want to be 40k and I think that’s a good number to keep in mind.
There’s still the WRX for them or if they want the performance, the N models
The new WRX is ugly but someone has to buy them. Honestly if I can't get the GRC id look at the veloster N or GR86That’s okay, if they really thought it was going to be low 30s range they were VERY hopeful.
There’s still the WRX for them or if they want the performance, the N models
True. All great performing cars though for sure.The new WRX is ugly but someone has to buy them. Honestly if I can't get the GRC id look at the veloster N or GR86
A argument I always see online is “there isn’t a rally inspired AWD car below 35k.” That’s literally a WRX. Doesn’t look as bad in black or dark gray. (Still not the best looking in the rear but eh.)
…and if they’re willing to get bent over and have a soldering iron inserted into their nether region by Hyundai salespeopleThat’s okay, if they really thought it was going to be low 30s range they were VERY hopeful.
There’s still the WRX for them or if they want the performance, the N models
The rear and all the plastic is what kills it for me.True. All great performing cars though for sure.
A argument I always see online is “there isn’t a rally inspired AWD car below 35k.” That’s literally a WRX. Doesn’t look as bad in black or dark gray. (Still not the best looking in the rear but eh.)
Probably why they don't sell as well.…and if they’re willing to get bent over and have a soldering iron inserted into their nether region by Hyundai salespeople
The apex gets the same base engine as a regular Corolla. Then add limited first year production, completely different engine, transmission, body structural bracing, awd, interior panels, seats etc.It shouldn't push it that mich, the apex is still different than the core Corrola sedan and hatchback. My fully loaded hatchback was 26k.
if people are expecting a base core to be low 30s there’re going to be sooorely disappointed. I know Covid prices are still a thing but I’m in agreement with an earlier post that a high 30s for a core seems likely
That’s true they just have to look harder. Markup just put the N models in Corolla territory.…and if they’re willing to get bent over and have a soldering iron inserted into their nether region by Hyundai salespeople
if they want a little piece of Corolla history they can also buy a GR86 as stated earlier
Has any rally inspired car ever been under that besides the WRX though? A homologation car/rally car in nature tends to be more money anyway. I'm sure the only reason the WRX is that cheap anyway is because the STi is the real homologation carTrue. All great performing cars though for sure.
A argument I always see online is “there isn’t a rally inspired AWD car below 35k.” That’s literally a WRX. Doesn’t look as bad in black or dark gray. (Still not the best looking in the rear but eh.)
Oh I agree that we won't be getting low 30s right now. If this was pre covid you could make that argument. still not out of the question to see a core model with no packages at 33-34k but the way it is right now I don't see the core starting at less than 35k.The apex gets the same base engine as a regular Corolla. Then add limited first year production, completely different engine, transmission, body structural bracing, awd, interior panels, seats etc.
if people are expecting a base core to be low 30s there’re going to be sooorely disappointed. I know Covid prices are still a thing but I’m in agreement with an earlier post that a high 30s for a core seems likely
Well that’s the thing, the WRX has always been that affordable rally inspired (not homolagated, I agree that’s the STI) car since Subaru separated it from the Impreza.Has any rally inspired car ever been under that besides the WRX though? A homologation car/rally car in nature tends to be more money anyway. I'm sure the only reason the WRX is that cheap anyway is because the STi is the real homologation car
A piece of me feels like this… if Subaru designed the WRX better people still would’ve gave it the cold shoulder because of how long it’s been out for. Lol
Hyundai/Kia have the worst ADMs of any manufacturer and they keep having dealers busted for illegal practices (one in my area just went down-it made national headlines). I tried to look at the N products on multiple occasions and was basically told to kick rocks at every dealership I contacted. I want to like Hyundai and Kia since they’re genuinely doing some cool stuff right now but it’s hard for me to consider them when their dealerships treat me like dirt whenever I try to look at them.That’s true they just have to look harder. Markup just put the N models in Corolla territory.
Also, the N cars are appealing specifically at their price points. At 33/34k for an Elantra N it’s a great buy. But once markups take it to nearly 40 it stops making sense…because you’ll be owning a Hyundai, not a Toyota or BMW or something. Hyundai still has very questionable reliability and inconsistent build quality. You can put up with all that when the product is considerably cheaper than the competition. But once it costs the same amount? No dice.
Well yeah that’s true but we’re talking about those who want the GRC but want it to be under 35k because they can’t afford or don’t want to pay that much.Hyundai/Kia have the worst ADMs of any manufacturer and they keep having dealers busted for illegal practices (one in my area just went down-it made national headlines). I tried to look at the N products on multiple occasions and was basically told to kick rocks at every dealership I contacted. I want to like Hyundai and Kia since they’re genuinely doing some cool stuff right now but it’s hard for me to consider them when their dealerships treat me like dirt whenever I try to look at them.
Also, the N cars are appealing specifically at their price points. At 33/34k for an Elantra N it’s a great buy. But once markups take it to nearly 40 it stops making sense…because you’ll be owning a Hyundai, not a Toyota or BMW or something. Hyundai still has very questionable reliability and inconsistent build quality. You can put up with all that when the product is considerably cheaper than the competition. But once it costs the same amount? No dice.
That’s why I said they can either look for a N car or buy a WRX, GR86/BRZ, Si, Golf GTI, so on.
This depends where you are. My local dealership just recently got an elantra n and had a 3500 markup but it still made it a low to mid 30k carHyundai/Kia have the worst ADMs of any manufacturer and they keep having dealers busted for illegal practices (one in my area just went down-it made national headlines). I tried to look at the N products on multiple occasions and was basically told to kick rocks at every dealership I contacted. I want to like Hyundai and Kia since they’re genuinely doing some cool stuff right now but it’s hard for me to consider them when their dealerships treat me like dirt whenever I try to look at them.
Also, the N cars are appealing specifically at their price points. At 33/34k for an Elantra N it’s a great buy. But once markups take it to nearly 40 it stops making sense…because you’ll be owning a Hyundai, not a Toyota or BMW or something. Hyundai still has very questionable reliability and inconsistent build quality. You can put up with all that when the product is considerably cheaper than the competition. But once it costs the same amount? No dice.
I mean ultimately I’m still going to do my best to drive one over the next couple months. I want to make sure I do my due diligence on all the GRC competitors.This depends where you are. My local dealership just recently got an elantra n and had a 3500 markup but it still made it a low to mid 30k car
The WRX is (was?) cheap because it's a cheap car. There's very little about the car that should make it be expensive.Has any rally inspired car ever been under that besides the WRX though? A homologation car/rally car in nature tends to be more money anyway. I'm sure the only reason the WRX is that cheap anyway is because the STi is the real homologation car
That’s the point, it’s perfect for all those who want a rally inspired car for cheap. They aren’t finding it in a GRCThe WRX is (was?) cheap because it's a cheap car. There's very little about the car that should make it be expensive.
The WRX has always been about the performance and basically nothing else. It’s part of the car’s appeal IMHO. And if folks are expecting a Lexus interior in the GRC they’re going to be very disappointed…That’s the point, it’s perfect for all those who want a rally inspired car for cheap. They aren’t finding it in a GRC
People are expecting a Lexus interior??...The WRX has always been about the performance and basically nothing else. It’s part of the car’s appeal IMHO. And if folks are expecting a Lexus interior in the GRC they’re going to be very disappointed…
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