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Guys... it's finally happening to me. I think I'm forgetting why I should be excited about this car. When I first put myself on the list, I thought: "This car is the dream. It's just everything I've ever wanted." But now... I'm not so sure. Here's what I'm fixating on:
1. I like (love?) the driving feel of older Corollas (1983 - 2005 era) but I've driven a 2022 Corolla sedan and friends, let me say, it is not interesting at all. What if the GRC turns out to handle just like a Corolla? It's not like we can drive it before we sign the cheque...
2. Tail-happiness... is it a myth? In the summer I daily a Miata. It's not quick but it is a blast to slide around. I've seen lots online that suggests that the GRY doesn't have good drift dynamics and especially not in "sport" mode. That scares me... I have believed that the GR-four system was a the saviour of the front to rear AWD systems. But if putting 70% to the rear does nothing to make it "rear-wheel-drive-esque" then WHY am I committing to this 1.5 toasters clutch pack that most people are expecting to blow the heck up every 60 thousand k or so? Can't I just buy an old Matrix and get just as far? Or one of the billions of AWD crossovers out there?
3. Premium... I don't like spending money on gas. Nuff said.
4. What about the shifter!? What if it is more F-150 than CTR? Most manual transmissions I could live without. But I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER (etc) NEVER want to swap my Miata transmission for an auto. Just no. But how do I know this car is nice to shift? People don't seem to get excited about the GRY gearbox. Why am I assuming that it's going to be a good (or great) gearbox? Am I a sheep?
5. Visibility. I can't get in a XSE and look around. Why? The dealers around here have like 3 cars on their lots and they are all SUVs. It's important to me that I don't feel like I'm driving a tank from out of a gunslit. There is no way to know what the driver's "awareness" of the corners of the vehicle is going to be. It could be like my 87' golf or it could be like a cargo van. Who knows?

I guess I just want it to be fun to drive but people keep saying "It's a corolla, I don't know why we are surprised to see that it's 80% understeer and 20% body roll. If you want fun get an 86."

So... tell me that it's going to be ok. Tell me these Toyota engineers understand what I (we) want and can deliver it.
 

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Guys... it's finally happening to me. I think I'm forgetting why I should be excited about this car. When I first put myself on the list, I thought: "This car is the dream. It's just everything I've ever wanted." But now... I'm not so sure. Here's what I'm fixating on:
1. I like (love?) the driving feel of older Corollas (1983 - 2005 era) but I've driven a 2022 Corolla sedan and friends, let me say, it is not interesting at all. What if the GRC turns out to handle just like a Corolla? It's not like we can drive it before we sign the cheque...
2. Tail-happiness... is it a myth? In the summer I daily a Miata. It's not quick but it is a blast to slide around. I've seen lots online that suggests that the GRY doesn't have good drift dynamics and especially not in "sport" mode. That scares me... I have believed that the GR-four system was a the saviour of the front to rear AWD systems. But if putting 70% to the rear does nothing to make it "rear-wheel-drive-esque" then WHY am I committing to this 1.5 toasters clutch pack that most people are expecting to blow the heck up every 60 thousand k or so? Can't I just buy an old Matrix and get just as far? Or one of the billions of AWD crossovers out there?
3. Premium... I don't like spending money on gas. Nuff said.
4. What about the shifter!? What if it is more F-150 than CTR? Most manual transmissions I could live without. But I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER (etc) NEVER want to swap my Miata transmission for an auto. Just no. But how do I know this car is nice to shift? People don't seem to get excited about the GRY gearbox. Why am I assuming that it's going to be a good (or great) gearbox? Am I a sheep?
5. Visibility. I can't get in a XSE and look around. Why? The dealers around here have like 3 cars on their lots and they are all SUVs. It's important to me that I don't feel like I'm driving a tank from out of a gunslit. There is no way to know what the driver's "awareness" of the corners of the vehicle is going to be. It could be like my 87' golf or it could be like a cargo van. Who knows?

I guess I just want it to be fun to drive but people keep saying "It's a corolla, I don't know why we are surprised to see that it's 80% understeer and 20% body roll. If you want fun get an 86."

So... tell me that it's going to be ok. Tell me these Toyota engineers understand what I (we) want and can deliver it.
I'll tell you one thing my friend, you've been really spoiled by that Miata.
I drove one about a month ago and that shifter is Magic and I like its tail happy nature.
I'm not sure if the gr Corolla will do it for you or be as fun as your Miata, only time will tell.
Now you've given me second thoughts.
 

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I think you guys really really really need to test drive one before parting with your money. I suggest you actually sit in the standard Corolla and it doesn't take much imagination to visualise the GR version. Some of you will not get past that stage and will not even need to drive it.
 

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Guys... it's finally happening to me. I think I'm forgetting why I should be excited about this car. When I first put myself on the list, I thought: "This car is the dream. It's just everything I've ever wanted." But now... I'm not so sure. Here's what I'm fixating on:
1. I like (love?) the driving feel of older Corollas (1983 - 2005 era) but I've driven a 2022 Corolla sedan and friends, let me say, it is not interesting at all. What if the GRC turns out to handle just like a Corolla? It's not like we can drive it before we sign the cheque...
2. Tail-happiness... is it a myth? In the summer I daily a Miata. It's not quick but it is a blast to slide around. I've seen lots online that suggests that the GRY doesn't have good drift dynamics and especially not in "sport" mode. That scares me... I have believed that the GR-four system was a the saviour of the front to rear AWD systems. But if putting 70% to the rear does nothing to make it "rear-wheel-drive-esque" then WHY am I committing to this 1.5 toasters clutch pack that most people are expecting to blow the heck up every 60 thousand k or so? Can't I just buy an old Matrix and get just as far? Or one of the billions of AWD crossovers out there?
3. Premium... I don't like spending money on gas. Nuff said.
4. What about the shifter!? What if it is more F-150 than CTR? Most manual transmissions I could live without. But I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER (etc) NEVER want to swap my Miata transmission for an auto. Just no. But how do I know this car is nice to shift? People don't seem to get excited about the GRY gearbox. Why am I assuming that it's going to be a good (or great) gearbox? Am I a sheep?
5. Visibility. I can't get in a XSE and look around. Why? The dealers around here have like 3 cars on their lots and they are all SUVs. It's important to me that I don't feel like I'm driving a tank from out of a gunslit. There is no way to know what the driver's "awareness" of the corners of the vehicle is going to be. It could be like my 87' golf or it could be like a cargo van. Who knows?

I guess I just want it to be fun to drive but people keep saying "It's a corolla, I don't know why we are surprised to see that it's 80% understeer and 20% body roll. If you want fun get an 86."

So... tell me that it's going to be ok. Tell me these Toyota engineers understand what I (we) want and can deliver it.
Well it depends man, because what we want, might not be what we the engineers visualized. lol. All I know so far from the pov videos is it won't feel like a rwd car. In a lot of ways, some of the charm that comes from old sporty Corollas, is the fact that they're Corollas.

If you can get past the shortcomings, I think this car will have its own character and end up being fun. Only way this car won't be good is if you imagined it to be something else.
 

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If Mazda would stick a 300hp engine in its Miata, that would definitely be my next car.
This 3 cylinder Toyota engine would probably fit in a Miata.
Hey now how about a joint venture between Toyota and Mazda.
I know transverse versus longitudinal hey one can dream.
 

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I think you guys really really really need to test drive one before parting with your money. I suggest you actually sit in the standard Corolla and it doesn't take much imagination to visualise the GR version. Some of you will not get past that stage and will not even need to drive it.
I dont think most dealers are going to have one to “test drive” most of them for a good while will probably be sold before they even arrive at the dealership. I don’t think Toyota sends “test vehicles” the same way that ford does.
 

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I've heard good things about the shifter. Seems like it might not be quite as good as the Type R (a high bar with how good Honda's gearboxes feel), but a clear step above stuff like the GTI/R and WRX/STI.

I think the driving reviews will clear up most of your concerns one way or the other.
 

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Guys... it's finally happening to me. I think I'm forgetting why I should be excited about this car. When I first put myself on the list, I thought: "This car is the dream. It's just everything I've ever wanted." But now... I'm not so sure. Here's what I'm fixating on:
1. I like (love?) the driving feel of older Corollas (1983 - 2005 era) but I've driven a 2022 Corolla sedan and friends, let me say, it is not interesting at all. What if the GRC turns out to handle just like a Corolla? It's not like we can drive it before we sign the cheque...
2. Tail-happiness... is it a myth? In the summer I daily a Miata. It's not quick but it is a blast to slide around. I've seen lots online that suggests that the GRY doesn't have good drift dynamics and especially not in "sport" mode. That scares me... I have believed that the GR-four system was a the saviour of the front to rear AWD systems. But if putting 70% to the rear does nothing to make it "rear-wheel-drive-esque" then WHY am I committing to this 1.5 toasters clutch pack that most people are expecting to blow the heck up every 60 thousand k or so? Can't I just buy an old Matrix and get just as far? Or one of the billions of AWD crossovers out there?
3. Premium... I don't like spending money on gas. Nuff said.
4. What about the shifter!? What if it is more F-150 than CTR? Most manual transmissions I could live without. But I would NEVER, NEVER, NEVER (etc) NEVER want to swap my Miata transmission for an auto. Just no. But how do I know this car is nice to shift? People don't seem to get excited about the GRY gearbox. Why am I assuming that it's going to be a good (or great) gearbox? Am I a sheep?
5. Visibility. I can't get in a XSE and look around. Why? The dealers around here have like 3 cars on their lots and they are all SUVs. It's important to me that I don't feel like I'm driving a tank from out of a gunslit. There is no way to know what the driver's "awareness" of the corners of the vehicle is going to be. It could be like my 87' golf or it could be like a cargo van. Who knows?

I guess I just want it to be fun to drive but people keep saying "It's a corolla, I don't know why we are surprised to see that it's 80% understeer and 20% body roll. If you want fun get an 86."

So... tell me that it's going to be ok. Tell me these Toyota engineers understand what I (we) want and can deliver it.
I currently daily drive a '21 corolla hatchback and the visibility is great with a nice airy greenhouse (in the front).

Can't speak on the sedan dynamics but the hatch has decent bones and it's surprisingly fun to toss around (but not quick at all). I know some Toyota employees who rally/track a gutted hatchback and they have tons of fun.. Based on the fact that the GRC is only coming to us in the hatchback variant and not the sedan, I would offer that all the extra weld points and adhesive will make this a GREAT platform.
 

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T-48 hours until we have more info. I'm reserving my final decision for then. ;)
This is really what it comes down to. We've waited months for driving impressions and these questions have been just growing in the dark. Sadly, they can't (or haven't) been lending them out for reviews on dirt and snow which seems to me is the environment where the GR-four would really show its colours. But I'll be very keen to see what the YouTube car people think.
 

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The Corolla HB XSE manual is a nice driving car with a good transmission. The over/understeer balance for the GR will almost certainly be biased towards understeer on the pavement, like almost every AWD vehicle. If we’re lucky, it will be closer to an Evo than to an STI…
 

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Sadly, I feel that most if not all of the reviews will be biased positive, since Toyota paid for everything for the event (flights, hotels and possibly food).
Too bad Chris Harris wasn't invited because he generally tells it like it is.
If a journalist gives the GR a negative review he or she would probably not be invited back to review more Toyota's.
Unfortunately it is what it is.
No unbiased reviews coming, and we need those kind if reviews to determine if the GR Corolla is right for us.
Toyota should bring in demo cars at least to the largest markets, for example in Canada...Toronto, Vancouver, montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Etc.
 

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I feel that most if not all of the reviews will be biased positive
I generally take a lot of reviews with a grain of salt for this reason. The one I'm really most looking forward to as far as critical-ness goes is savagegeese. They absolutely don't hold back when it comes to reviews.
 

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Sadly, I feel that most if not all of the reviews will be biased positive, since Toyota paid for everything for the event (flights, hotels and possibly food).
Too bad Chris Harris wasn't invited because he generally tells it like it is.
If a journalist gives the GR a negative review he or she would probably not be invited back to review more Toyota's.
Unfortunately it is what it is.
No unbiased reviews coming, and we need those kind if reviews to determine if the GR Corolla is right for us.
Toyota should bring in demo cars at least to the largest markets, for example in Canada...Toronto, Vancouver, montreal, Calgary, Edmonton, Etc.
James from TH addressed this exact topic I think yesterday.
 

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I generally take a lot of reviews with a grain of salt for this reason. The one I'm really most looking forward to as far as critical-ness goes is savagegeese. They absolutely don't hold back when it comes to reviews.
The most accurate reviews will come once journalists get the car a couple months after.

Kinda sucks though because those reviews usually come after people buy the car. Lol
 

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James from TH addressed this exact topic I think yesterday.
Yeah he did, I appreciate him having integrity.

but after those ridealongs and the ridiculous impressions the other journalists gave, you can only imagine how some of these videos will be on Wednesday. 😂

You really can’t deny how biased they sounded.

I want the car to do well, it should perform well, but I don’t want to be lied to either.
 

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Yeah he did, I appreciate him having integrity.

but after those ridealongs and the ridiculous impressions the other journalists gave, you can only imagine how some of these videos will be on Wednesday. 😂

You really can’t deny how biased they sounded.

I want the car to do well, it should perform well, but I don’t want to be lied to either.
I hear ya. I guess it depends on expectations of what you're hoping they say. Anyone says "best car ever made, nothing wrong with it" likely isn't worth their weight.

Pretty much hoping to get a good impression of ambiance, sounds, view from Topher with his binaural mics. SG often has engineering components to explain some pros/cons. TH has had the car for days for livability and it sounds like they're doing comparisons.

I understand everyone is likely looking to get something different out of this car. For me, I'm looking for a practical 4 door and AWD Toyota that I can have fun in and will fit a car seat. I don't have the skills nor desire to post ridiculous lap times so I'm not looking to min/max the car.
 

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I hear ya. I guess it depends on expectations of what you're hoping they say. Anyone says "best car ever made, nothing wrong with it" likely isn't worth their weight.

Pretty much hoping to get a good impression of ambiance, sounds, view from Topher with his binaural mics. SG often has engineering components to explain some pros/cons. TH has had the car for days for livability and it sounds like they're doing comparisons.

I understand everyone is likely looking to get something different out of this car. For me, I'm looking for a practical 4 door and AWD Toyota that I can have fun in and will fit a car seat. I don't have the skills nor desire to post ridiculous lap times so I'm not looking to min/max the car.
That’s true.

For me this car is exactly what it is, a hot Corolla. Which means it can be whatever you want it to be, but I expect it to be softer and forgiving for daily commutes.

That alone is special in its own way. I just don’t want people to hate the car because it doesn’t live up to the insane hype built.
 

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That’s true.

For me this car is exactly what it is, a hot Corolla. Which means it can be whatever you want it to be, but I expect it to be softer and forgiving for daily commutes.

That alone is special in its own way. I just don’t want people to hate the car because it doesn’t live up to the insane hype built.
Cheers bruv! Let's hope for a good Wednesday and if so, decent dealers!
 
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