[Nemesis]

In sone of the other GR vehicles we’ve seen a heads-up display installed(GR Supra, Altus GR Sport, etc) Would You want one and do you think Toyota will include one on the GR Corolla?

 

[Jeonsa]

Maybe. Currently the Corolla doesn’t have a HUD stateside

 

[Driven District]

I voted "YES!!" Although my "yes" would be less enthusiastic LOL I think it's a neat feature, and would be a plus to have, but it wouldn't bother me if it does not have it.

Only car I had with one was the C7 Stingray which I didn't own long and barely used it. My girlfriend Mazda 3 Turbo has it and she leaves it on, so when I drive her car it reminds me that I have a heavy foot

 

[Wynorrific]

I'm sure it's a possibility as more automakers are adopting them but I don't really mind either way. I think it's a neat feature but not a necessity for me. I've driven cars with them and I never really used it

 

[007]

Please, no. The more gadgets a car has, the more it sucks. Keep things simple, sporty, and I’m interested. If this thing weighs well over 3,000 lbs, it will be a hard pass for me.

 

[Jeonsa]

Please, no. The more gadgets a car has, the more it sucks. Keep things simple, sporty, and I’m interested. If this thing weighs well over 3,000 lbs, it will be a hard pass for me.

It most likely will from discussions on Reddit. Someone was comparing the standard weight of a base (japan only) RS GR Yaris compared to the AWD GR Yaris and saw a gain 330 lbs.

Regular Corolla hatch currently weighs about 3060lbs. So people are guessing a rough 3300-3400ish weight.

 

[007]

It most likely will from discussions on Reddit. Someone was comparing the standard weight of a base (japan only) RS GR Yaris compared to the AWD GR Yaris and saw a gain 330 lbs.

Regular Corolla hatch currently weighs about 3060lbs. So people are guessing a rough 3300-3400ish weight.

That’s my e46 M3 weight, a car that I already thought was too heavy, despite not really lacking in power. For the record, my old e36 M3 was twice the fun, despite lacking the power of the e46 M3. Why? - Simply because it was lighter.

Physics are physics. You CAN dial out excess weight in clever ways, but you can never truly hide it.

AFAIK, the GR Yaris circuit packs weighs a little over 2,800 lbs. If the GR Corolla weighs anywhere north of 3,200 lbs, then it will never come close to replicating the GR Yaris experience, no matter how much power it receives.

This was suppose to be our “GR Yaris”, but it sounds more and more like a flop. And yes, I pray that I’m wrong.

Toyota really dropped the ball by not bringing it here. I would buy one. Two, actually. Store one as a forever car. Even if it cost $50k, I’d still buy two. They totally underestimated the enthusiast crowd willing to fork out serious change on a hot hatch of this caliber.

 

[Jeonsa]

That’s my e46 M3 weight, a car that I already thought was too heavy, despite not really lacking in power. For the record, my old e36 M3 was twice the fun, despite lacking the power of the e46 M3. Why? - Simply because it was lighter.

Physics are physics. You CAN dial out excess weight in clever ways, but you can never truly hide it.

AFAIK, the GR Yaris circuit packs weighs a little over 2,800 lbs. If the GR Corolla weighs anywhere north of 3,200 lbs, then it will never come close to replicating the GR Yaris experience, no matter how much power it receives.

This was suppose to be our “GR Yaris”, but it sounds more and more like a flop. And yes, I pray that I’m wrong.

Toyota really dropped the ball by not bringing it here. I would buy one. Two, actually. Store one as a forever car. Even if it cost $50k, I’d still buy two. They totally underestimated the enthusiast crowd willing to fork out serious change on a hot hatch of this caliber.

Well this is something Guff (Albon) and I went over when this forum was really new. There’s a lot of hype around this car because of the GR Yaris. People take certain rumors and put this unfair standard on it without considering other factors.

For example, I said before they look at the “300hp!” headline and imagine a GR Yaris 2800lbs hatch, instead of a 4 door AWD Corolla which in fwd form, weighs 3000lbs. Or the GR Yaris being a rally car means the GRC will be a rally car, which Guff was saying will not be the case.

It will be a special Toyota with a great holistic experience for sure. So not a numbers car specifically. (Similar to most legendary Toyota’s)

it’s actually a modern interpretation of what the old AE86 was. (It’s a Corolla with a different layout meant for racing, with some rally dna) I think this will be the best hot Corolla ever.

But you can’t say anything objective anymore without people thinking your hating.

With little information we can piece together now this car could perform AT LEAST to a WRX/STi (3300-3500lbs, 270-300 hp, AWD), which is great still. There’s obviously potential it could be amazing though and we don’t know that officially yet.

 

[ccrook06]

That’s my e46 M3 weight, a car that I already thought was too heavy, despite not really lacking in power. For the record, my old e36 M3 was twice the fun, despite lacking the power of the e46 M3. Why? - Simply because it was lighter.

Physics are physics. You CAN dial out excess weight in clever ways, but you can never truly hide it.

AFAIK, the GR Yaris circuit packs weighs a little over 2,800 lbs. If the GR Corolla weighs anywhere north of 3,200 lbs, then it will never come close to replicating the GR Yaris experience, no matter how much power it receives.

This was suppose to be our “GR Yaris”, but it sounds more and more like a flop. And yes, I pray that I’m wrong.

Toyota really dropped the ball by not bringing it here. I would buy one. Two, actually. Store one as a forever car. Even if it cost $50k, I’d still buy two. They totally underestimated the enthusiast crowd willing to fork out serious change on a hot hatch of this caliber.

I don't know if it'd be a flop, just not the caliber of performance you may be looking for. I can't say I expected a GR Yaris comparable to hit the US, but rather a reliable AWD turbo hatchback that we're lucky to have with a manual option. The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.

I guess the debate is what Toyota is talking it up to be. I've seen journalists call it our GRY, has Toyota claimed it will be our GRY equivalent? I expect a GTI competitor, not a Golf R.

 

[Taroroot]

HUD isnt something i really care about, if it has it, fine. If it doesnt and is cheaper because ofnit, great!
Im pretty sure we dont get the Yaris primarily because of safety regulations. Would have costed too much to get it to meet regs, both for Toyota and in the end price. The Corolla is already existing so this a good way to get us a hot hatch. It wont be a GR Yaris, but hopefully itll still be a great car!

 

[Jeonsa]

I don't know if it'd be a flop, just not the caliber of performance you may be looking for. I can't say I expected a GR Yaris comparable to hit the US, but rather a reliable AWD turbo hatchback that we're lucky to have with a manual option. The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.

I guess the debate is what Toyota is talking it up to be. I've seen journalists call it our GRY, has Toyota claimed it will be our GRY equivalent? I expect a GTI competitor, not a Golf R.

That’s the approach I’m taking. Will be a great Toyota for sure, but not this super crazy car some people make it out to be

 

[007]

Well this is something Guff (Albon) and I went over when this forum was really new. There’s a lot of hype around this car because of the GR Yaris. People take certain rumors and put this unfair standard on it without considering other factors.

For example, I said before they look at the “300hp!” headline and imagine a GR Yaris 2800lbs hatch, instead of a 4 door AWD Corolla which in fwd form, weighs 3000lbs. Or the GR Yaris being a rally car means the GRC will be a rally car, which Guff was saying will not be the case.

It will be a special Toyota with a great holistic experience for sure. So not a numbers car specifically. (Similar to most legendary Toyota’s)

it’s actually a modern interpretation of what the old AE86 was. (It’s a Corolla with a different layout meant for racing, with some rally dna) I think this will be the best hot Corolla ever.

But you can’t say anything objective anymore without people thinking your hating.

With little information we can piece together now this car could perform AT LEAST to a WRX/STi (3300-3500lbs, 270-300 hp, AWD), which is great still. There’s obviously potential it could be amazing though and we don’t know that officially yet.

I don't know if it'd be a flop, just not the caliber of performance you may be looking for. I can't say I expected a GR Yaris comparable to hit the US, but rather a reliable AWD turbo hatchback that we're lucky to have with a manual option. The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.

I guess the debate is what Toyota is talking it up to be. I've seen journalists call it our GRY, has Toyota claimed it will be our GRY equivalent? I expect a GTI competitor, not a Golf R.

I agree with both of you.

IMO, part of the negative stipulation and disagreements stem from our interpretation of their original message from nearly two years ago:

“GR Yaris dominated the 2020 Tokyo Auto Salon, stirring up an outcry in North America over its absence. And it's easy to see why. A radical hot hatch, GR Yaris is equipped with an all-new 268-horsepower, 163 turbocharged 3-cylinder engine; a rally-derived GR-FOUR All-Wheel Drive system; and a track-proven suspension. It's the same engineering that helped to make TOYOTA GAZOO Racing a dominant force in the World Rally Championship. While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing. Are you with us?”

Many people, including myself, took this as a GR Yaris equivalent. So, depending on how closely it mimics the GR Yaris in performance and feel, people will be either very happy or very disappointed.

While it’s true that Toyota never proclaimed that our hot hatch will be like a GR Yaris, they sort of implied it with that message IMO. To me, it sort of reads like:

“Hey USA, look at how insanely amazing the GR Yaris is! Oh BTW, you’re not getting one. We may be screwing you out of the fantastic GR Yaris, but don’t you worry, we’re giving you something that’s just as good and worth waiting for.”

They spent most of that message bragging about how great the GR Yaris is only to tell us that we’re not getting one. So, instead, they’re giving us something else that’s special. But if it is nowhere near as capable as the GR Yaris, then why brag about the GR Yaris accomplishments beforehand?

 

[Jeonsa]

I agree with both of you.

IMO, part of the negative stipulation and disagreements stem from our interpretation of their original message from nearly two years ago:

“GR Yaris dominated the 2020 Tokyo Auto Salon, stirring up an outcry in North America over its absence. And it's easy to see why. A radical hot hatch, GR Yaris is equipped with an all-new 268-horsepower, 163 turbocharged 3-cylinder engine; a rally-derived GR-FOUR All-Wheel Drive system; and a track-proven suspension. It's the same engineering that helped to make TOYOTA GAZOO Racing a dominant force in the World Rally Championship. While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing. Are you with us?”

Many people, including myself, took this as a GR Yaris equivalent. So, depending on how closely it mimics the GR Yaris in performance and feel, people will be either very happy or very disappointed.

While it’s true that Toyota never proclaimed that our hot hatch will be like a GR Yaris, they sort of implied it with that message IMO. To me, it sort of reads like:

“Hey USA, look at how insanely amazing the GR Yaris is! Oh BTW, you’re not getting one. We may be screwing you out of the fantastic GR Yaris, but don’t you worry, we’re giving you something that’s just as good and worth waiting for.”

They spent most of that message bragging about how great the GR Yaris is only to tell us that we’re not getting one. So, instead, they’re giving us something else that’s special. But if it is nowhere near as capable as the GR Yaris, then why brag about the GR Yaris accomplishments beforehand?

Yeah I see what you mean. This is why the teasers at this point seem a bit much.

Realistically if Toyota just had the GR Yaris, GR Corolla and the range topping GRGT (GT3 concept they showed at TAS) they would have a really solid performance lineup without a lot of negative press. As much as I love the 86 and the Supra being a good performer, they still have backlash due to their development.

 

[ccrook06]

I agree with both of you.

IMO, part of the negative stipulation and disagreements stem from our interpretation of their original message from nearly two years ago:

“GR Yaris dominated the 2020 Tokyo Auto Salon, stirring up an outcry in North America over its absence. And it's easy to see why. A radical hot hatch, GR Yaris is equipped with an all-new 268-horsepower, 163 turbocharged 3-cylinder engine; a rally-derived GR-FOUR All-Wheel Drive system; and a track-proven suspension. It's the same engineering that helped to make TOYOTA GAZOO Racing a dominant force in the World Rally Championship. While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing. Are you with us?”

Many people, including myself, took this as a GR Yaris equivalent. So, depending on how closely it mimics the GR Yaris in performance and feel, people will be either very happy or very disappointed.

While it’s true that Toyota never proclaimed that our hot hatch will be like a GR Yaris, they sort of implied it with that message IMO. To me, it sort of reads like:

“Hey USA, look at how insanely amazing the GR Yaris is! Oh BTW, you’re not getting one. We may be screwing you out of the fantastic GR Yaris, but don’t you worry, we’re giving you something that’s just as good and worth waiting for.”

They spent most of that message bragging about how great the GR Yaris is only to tell us that we’re not getting one. So, instead, they’re giving us something else that’s special. But if it is nowhere near as capable as the GR Yaris, then why brag about the GR Yaris accomplishments beforehand?

Yea, totally understandable. I also wish the hype would deliver. But honestly, that would go against 5 decades of being shafted when it comes to rally homologation specials. US has always been excluded for one reason or another. Maybe the optimism was worth it this time, but history hasn't been kind to us.

 

[Hank]

The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.

I did tasteful weight reduction and got my RS down to 3160 lb. I'm running E30 fuel on the stock turbo with minor bolt-ons, and although I haven't hit the rollers yet, an RS with similar mods dynoed 387whp/444wtq.

 

[ccrook06]

Solid build, that's a great little car. I'm honestly 60/40 with the GRC or picking up another RS. I would need coilovers and 18s though, wife did not tolerate the ride. Like at all.

 

[Wynorrific]

Even with the weight and only 350hp, when I drove an RS it still felt quick and good for the roads at least. I'm sure on track it's lacking but for street use, it felt really good to me. I was expecting the GRC to be a lesser equivalent to the GRY as the car will be heavier by quite a bit given the size and the panels are aluminum and carbon like the GRY. As long as it is a fun Corolla with AWD and manual with a nice power:weight, I am happy. WRX's also feel nice to drive at 3300lbs and 275hp so if the GRC is around 3300-3500lbs with 300hp, it is still going to be a fun car, especially if you remove quite some weight and we know the engine can take more power with simple bolt-ons. I knew it wasn't going to be as crazy as the GRY due to difference of why they are made and the materials they're made out of but I can see where people misunderstood with what Toyota was saying

 

[gazoo]

I voted "YES" but then I was wrong. I'd like to have less electronics

 

[gazoo]

Solid build, that's a great little car. I'm honestly 60/40 with the GRC or picking up another RS. I would need coilovers and 18s though, wife did not tolerate the ride. Like at all.

Just get her a Bronco lol.. Make sure it satisfies you not for her

 

[007]

Speaking of HUD, I had it on past BMW’s and don’t miss it. It’s just another useless gimmick that makes anything less of a driver’s car IMO.