Maybe. Currently the Corolla doesn’t have a HUD stateside
It most likely will from discussions on Reddit. Someone was comparing the standard weight of a base (japan only) RS GR Yaris compared to the AWD GR Yaris and saw a gain 330 lbs.Please, no. The more gadgets a car has, the more it sucks. Keep things simple, sporty, and I’m interested. If this thing weighs well over 3,000 lbs, it will be a hard pass for me.
That’s my e46 M3 weight, a car that I already thought was too heavy, despite not really lacking in power. For the record, my old e36 M3 was twice the fun, despite lacking the power of the e46 M3. Why? - Simply because it was lighter.It most likely will from discussions on Reddit. Someone was comparing the standard weight of a base (japan only) RS GR Yaris compared to the AWD GR Yaris and saw a gain 330 lbs.
Regular Corolla hatch currently weighs about 3060lbs. So people are guessing a rough 3300-3400ish weight.
Well this is something Guff (Albon) and I went over when this forum was really new. There’s a lot of hype around this car because of the GR Yaris. People take certain rumors and put this unfair standard on it without considering other factors.That’s my e46 M3 weight, a car that I already thought was too heavy, despite not really lacking in power. For the record, my old e36 M3 was twice the fun, despite lacking the power of the e46 M3. Why? - Simply because it was lighter.
Physics are physics. You CAN dial out excess weight in clever ways, but you can never truly hide it.
AFAIK, the GR Yaris circuit packs weighs a little over 2,800 lbs. If the GR Corolla weighs anywhere north of 3,200 lbs, then it will never come close to replicating the GR Yaris experience, no matter how much power it receives.
This was suppose to be our “GR Yaris”, but it sounds more and more like a flop. And yes, I pray that I’m wrong.
Toyota really dropped the ball by not bringing it here. I would buy one. Two, actually. Store one as a forever car. Even if it cost $50k, I’d still buy two. They totally underestimated the enthusiast crowd willing to fork out serious change on a hot hatch of this caliber.
I don't know if it'd be a flop, just not the caliber of performance you may be looking for. I can't say I expected a GR Yaris comparable to hit the US, but rather a reliable AWD turbo hatchback that we're lucky to have with a manual option. The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.That’s my e46 M3 weight, a car that I already thought was too heavy, despite not really lacking in power. For the record, my old e36 M3 was twice the fun, despite lacking the power of the e46 M3. Why? - Simply because it was lighter.
Physics are physics. You CAN dial out excess weight in clever ways, but you can never truly hide it.
AFAIK, the GR Yaris circuit packs weighs a little over 2,800 lbs. If the GR Corolla weighs anywhere north of 3,200 lbs, then it will never come close to replicating the GR Yaris experience, no matter how much power it receives.
This was suppose to be our “GR Yaris”, but it sounds more and more like a flop. And yes, I pray that I’m wrong.
Toyota really dropped the ball by not bringing it here. I would buy one. Two, actually. Store one as a forever car. Even if it cost $50k, I’d still buy two. They totally underestimated the enthusiast crowd willing to fork out serious change on a hot hatch of this caliber.
That’s the approach I’m taking. Will be a great Toyota for sure, but not this super crazy car some people make it out to beI don't know if it'd be a flop, just not the caliber of performance you may be looking for. I can't say I expected a GR Yaris comparable to hit the US, but rather a reliable AWD turbo hatchback that we're lucky to have with a manual option. The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.
I guess the debate is what Toyota is talking it up to be. I've seen journalists call it our GRY, has Toyota claimed it will be our GRY equivalent? I expect a GTI competitor, not a Golf R.
Well this is something Guff (Albon) and I went over when this forum was really new. There’s a lot of hype around this car because of the GR Yaris. People take certain rumors and put this unfair standard on it without considering other factors.
For example, I said before they look at the “300hp!” headline and imagine a GR Yaris 2800lbs hatch, instead of a 4 door AWD Corolla which in fwd form, weighs 3000lbs. Or the GR Yaris being a rally car means the GRC will be a rally car, which Guff was saying will not be the case.
It will be a special Toyota with a great holistic experience for sure. So not a numbers car specifically. (Similar to most legendary Toyota’s)
it’s actually a modern interpretation of what the old AE86 was. (It’s a Corolla with a different layout meant for racing, with some rally dna) I think this will be the best hot Corolla ever.
But you can’t say anything objective anymore without people thinking your hating.
With little information we can piece together now this car could perform AT LEAST to a WRX/STi (3300-3500lbs, 270-300 hp, AWD), which is great still. There’s obviously potential it could be amazing though and we don’t know that officially yet.
I agree with both of you.I don't know if it'd be a flop, just not the caliber of performance you may be looking for. I can't say I expected a GR Yaris comparable to hit the US, but rather a reliable AWD turbo hatchback that we're lucky to have with a manual option. The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.
I guess the debate is what Toyota is talking it up to be. I've seen journalists call it our GRY, has Toyota claimed it will be our GRY equivalent? I expect a GTI competitor, not a Golf R.
Yeah I see what you mean. This is why the teasers at this point seem a bit much.I agree with both of you.
IMO, part of the negative stipulation and disagreements stem from our interpretation of their original message from nearly two years ago:
“GR Yaris dominated the 2020 Tokyo Auto Salon, stirring up an outcry in North America over its absence. And it's easy to see why. A radical hot hatch, GR Yaris is equipped with an all-new 268-horsepower, 163 turbocharged 3-cylinder engine; a rally-derived GR-FOUR All-Wheel Drive system; and a track-proven suspension. It's the same engineering that helped to make TOYOTA GAZOO Racing a dominant force in the World Rally Championship. While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing. Are you with us?”
Many people, including myself, took this as a GR Yaris equivalent. So, depending on how closely it mimics the GR Yaris in performance and feel, people will be either very happy or very disappointed.
While it’s true that Toyota never proclaimed that our hot hatch will be like a GR Yaris, they sort of implied it with that message IMO. To me, it sort of reads like:
“Hey USA, look at how insanely amazing the GR Yaris is! Oh BTW, you’re not getting one. We may be screwing you out of the fantastic GR Yaris, but don’t you worry, we’re giving you something that’s just as good and worth waiting for.”
They spent most of that message bragging about how great the GR Yaris is only to tell us that we’re not getting one. So, instead, they’re giving us something else that’s special. But if it is nowhere near as capable as the GR Yaris, then why brag about the GR Yaris accomplishments beforehand?
Yea, totally understandable. I also wish the hype would deliver. But honestly, that would go against 5 decades of being shafted when it comes to rally homologation specials. US has always been excluded for one reason or another. Maybe the optimism was worth it this time, but history hasn't been kind to us.I agree with both of you.
IMO, part of the negative stipulation and disagreements stem from our interpretation of their original message from nearly two years ago:
“GR Yaris dominated the 2020 Tokyo Auto Salon, stirring up an outcry in North America over its absence. And it's easy to see why. A radical hot hatch, GR Yaris is equipped with an all-new 268-horsepower, 163 turbocharged 3-cylinder engine; a rally-derived GR-FOUR All-Wheel Drive system; and a track-proven suspension. It's the same engineering that helped to make TOYOTA GAZOO Racing a dominant force in the World Rally Championship. While GR Yaris isn't coming to the U.S., perhaps it's time the U.S. got a Toyota hot hatch to call its own. One that continues to push the boundaries of performance. And one that can only come from TOYOTA GAZOO Racing. Are you with us?”
Many people, including myself, took this as a GR Yaris equivalent. So, depending on how closely it mimics the GR Yaris in performance and feel, people will be either very happy or very disappointed.
While it’s true that Toyota never proclaimed that our hot hatch will be like a GR Yaris, they sort of implied it with that message IMO. To me, it sort of reads like:
“Hey USA, look at how insanely amazing the GR Yaris is! Oh BTW, you’re not getting one. We may be screwing you out of the fantastic GR Yaris, but don’t you worry, we’re giving you something that’s just as good and worth waiting for.”
They spent most of that message bragging about how great the GR Yaris is only to tell us that we’re not getting one. So, instead, they’re giving us something else that’s special. But if it is nowhere near as capable as the GR Yaris, then why brag about the GR Yaris accomplishments beforehand?
I did tasteful weight reduction and got my RS down to 3160 lb. I'm running E30 fuel on the stock turbo with minor bolt-ons, and although I haven't hit the rollers yet, an RS with similar mods dynoed 387whp/444wtq.The Focus RS is 3400 lbs (definitely a fatty on the track) and kicks out 350 hp. I'd still say it's underpowered, and this won't be close to the RS power wise.
Just get her a Bronco lol.. Make sure it satisfies you not for herSolid build, that's a great little car. I'm honestly 60/40 with the GRC or picking up another RS. I would need coilovers and 18s though, wife did not tolerate the ride. Like at all.![]()