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This post is from ages ago, but after I put in the deposit for the Corolla GR, I made some calls to see about what my local Honda dealers were doing for Civic Type R.

I got in touch with 5, and all 5 say there is a 10k regional market adjustment.

Had a couple of Toyota reps + the one I put a deposit at say MSRP, so seems like GRC is the way to go for me 馃檭
 

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This post is from ages ago, but after I put in the deposit for the Corolla GR, I made some calls to see about what my local Honda dealers were doing for Civic Type R.

I got in touch with 5, and all 5 say there is a 10k regional market adjustment.

Had a couple of Toyota reps + the one I put a deposit at say MSRP, so seems like GRC is the way to go for me 馃檭
They both have their positives and negatives I say. GRC will be marked up in some regions but it鈥檚 availability is it鈥檚 negative.
 

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This post is from ages ago, but after I put in the deposit for the Corolla GR, I made some calls to see about what my local Honda dealers were doing for Civic Type R.

I got in touch with 5, and all 5 say there is a 10k regional market adjustment.

Had a couple of Toyota reps + the one I put a deposit at say MSRP, so seems like GRC is the way to go for me 馃檭
This lines up with what I've been hearing from other dealerships regarding the GRC. Two dealerships have separately told me they are treating it "like Toyota's Type R", which could explain why some people (me) were seeing such insane ADMs.
 

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The Type-R is no slouch on the "Ring" thats forsure, Cannot wait to see what the GR does...
I mean the ring is Akio Toyoda鈥檚 bread and butter. He largely cut his teeth as a racing driver at the Nurburgring 24. I doubt they鈥檇 be releasing the GRC if they didn鈥檛 think it could turn in a great lap, and the GR Yaris is well known for punching above its weight at the Ring. There are a bunch of YouTube videos out there of the GR Yaris pestering much more expensive cars on circuits.

In regards to the Civic Type R, it seems like a lot of Toyota fanboys are claiming it鈥檚 going to be DOA. I think it鈥檚 a little premature to declare that personally, but it鈥檚 probably going to be FWD only and should have similar power to the GRC. It may wind up being faster in a straight line and on courses where the FWD aspect isn鈥檛 as much of a disadvantage, but on paper the GRC seems like it鈥檚 going to be hard to top.

I鈥檝e always really liked and respected the CTR, although I haven鈥檛 driven one. I鈥檝e always found the styling to be way too over the top for me personally. They鈥檙e going for something more subdued this generation, which is good but based on the images we鈥檝e already seen they may have swung TOO far in that direction. For me the GRC has just the right amount of flair. It鈥檚 styled enough that it looks special but it鈥檚 still subtle enough that normal people will mistake it for a plain Corolla.
 

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I mean the ring is Akiyo Toyoda鈥檚 bread and butter. He largely cut his teeth as a racing driver at the Nurburgring 24. I doubt they鈥檇 be releasing the GRC if they didn鈥檛 think it could turn in a great lap, and the GR Yaris is well known for punching above its weight at the Ring. There are a bunch of YouTube videos out there of the GR Yaris pestering much more expensive cars on circuits.

In regards to the Civic Type R, it seems like a lot of Toyota fanboys are claiming it鈥檚 going to be DOA. I think it鈥檚 a little premature to declare that personally, but it鈥檚 probably going to be FWD only and should have similar power to the GRC. It may wind up being faster in a straight line and on courses where the FWD aspect isn鈥檛 as much of a disadvantage, but on paper the GRC seems like it鈥檚 going to be hard to top.

I鈥檝e always really liked and respected the CTR, although I haven鈥檛 driven one. I鈥檝e always found the styling to be way too over the top for me personally. They鈥檙e going for something more subdued this generation, which is good but based on the images we鈥檝e already seen they may have swung TOO far in that direction. For me the GRC has just the right amount of flair. It鈥檚 styled enough that it looks special but it鈥檚 still subtle enough that normal people will mistake it for a plain Corolla.
I don鈥檛 think it鈥檚 dead, Honda is always closed lip about development until the release. The Type R will have a little more power then the GRC and if the weight stays the same it鈥檒l be lighter. In best motoring videos, the Type R was beating STIs on track.

So I have to give the Type R it鈥檚 props. It鈥檚 argued as one of if not the best hatches in its class.

Definitely will be a interesting head to head in the future.
 

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I鈥檓 hoping that the upcoming CTR reveal will get a lot of people to pull their GRC deposits to put in to the CTR instead. Competition is great as it spreads the load on the limited production numbers. There are a lot of things the CTR does better than the GRY, but the CTR is uncompromisingly racy. I feel that the GRY and GRC are more all rounders rather than completely focused on getting the best lap times. The Golf R is the most relaxed and luxurious of the 3. Fortunately, there are customers for all these cars. Which is only a good thing.

I can鈥檛 wait for the CTR announcement, and for people to jump ship to Honda.
 

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I respect the CTR and like how this version looks compared to the previous CTR. The wider, more square front end look like homage to older 80's-90's Honda/Acura's. IMO, it's not on my radar primarily because it's a FF setup and I've owned a DC2 back in the day. My RWD and RR vehicles along with an AWD GRC is as far as I'd want to go for a sports car.
 

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I鈥檓 hoping that the upcoming CTR reveal will get a lot of people to pull their GRC deposits to put in to the CTR instead. Competition is great as it spreads the load on the limited production numbers. There are a lot of things the CTR does better than the GRY, but the CTR is uncompromisingly racy. I feel that the GRY and GRC are more all rounders rather than completely focused on getting the best lap times. The Golf R is the most relaxed and luxurious of the 3. Fortunately, there are customers for all these cars. Which is only a good thing.

I can鈥檛 wait for the CTR announcement, and for people to jump ship to Honda.
Two things:

1). I definitely agree that the GRC/GRY are more all around vehicles than the CTR. The CTR has always been an uncompromising beast of a machine built for one thing only-the track. In that specific application, I honestly think it will be better than the GRC in most instances, other than on specific tracks where the AWD system will give the GRC a leg up. This advantage will evaporate in lousy weather or in other settings, but I expect the CTR will be the better pure track car than the GRC.

But I imagine the GRC will be more comfortable, versatile, and easier to live with as a daily. It just depends on what you鈥檙e looking for.

2). I鈥檓 not so sure the CTR and GRC are necessarily going to eat into each other鈥檚 sales all that much. People are weirdly loyal to specific manufacturers, and in my experience Honda people are purely Honda people. The enthusiasts I know that are into Honda are pretty much exclusively into Honda and not a lot else, and it seems as though they do a good job of attracting repeat customers as a brand in general.

I鈥檓 new to the Toyota world myself, so I can鈥檛 speak from experience, but I鈥檓 not sure if they have the same cult-like following Honda does鈥ainly because they鈥檇 been out of the sporty car game for a while before their recent sea change, and Honda has always had hot versions of the Civic that people swear by.

I think the type of people that want a CTR are looking for a CTR specifically. I think the folks that are drawn to the GRC are people that want something new and different/unique. If anything I think the GRC is going to eat into the sales of the GTI/R and the Hyundai N products. I believe the CTR鈥檚 mystique is pretty full proof regardless of how good the competition gets.
 

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Two things:

1). I definitely agree that the GRC/GRY are more all around vehicles than the CTR. The CTR has always been an uncompromising beast of a machine built for one thing only-the track. In that specific application, I honestly think it will be better than the GRC in most instances, other than on specific tracks where the AWD system will give the GRC a leg up. This advantage will evaporate in lousy weather or in other settings, but I expect the CTR will be the better pure track car than the GRC.

But I imagine the GRC will be more comfortable, versatile, and easier to live with as a daily. It just depends on what you鈥檙e looking for.

2). I鈥檓 not so sure the CTR and GRC are necessarily going to eat into each other鈥檚 sales all that much. People are weirdly loyal to specific manufacturers, and in my experience Honda people are purely Honda people. The enthusiasts I know that are into Honda are pretty much exclusively into Honda and not a lot else, and it seems as though they do a good job of attracting repeat customers as a brand in general.

I鈥檓 new to the Toyota world myself, so I can鈥檛 speak from experience, but I鈥檓 not sure if they have the same cult-like following Honda does鈥ainly because they鈥檇 been out of the sporty car game for a while before their recent sea change, and Honda has always had hot versions of the Civic that people swear by.

I think the type of people that want a CTR are looking for a CTR specifically. I think the folks that are drawn to the GRC are people that want something new and different/unique. If anything I think the GRC is going to eat into the sales of the GTI/R and the Hyundai N products. I believe the CTR鈥檚 mystique is pretty full proof regardless of how good the competition gets.
Well yeah. As a Toyota enthusiast I see the GR Corolla as a continuation of the Levin/Trueno line so it鈥檚 just Toyota鈥檚 variation and flavor of the sport 鈥渃ompact鈥 car segment. It鈥檚 always been a Civic competitor that Toyota sometimes ditched or misconstrued it鈥檚 own history.

I think it鈥檚 cool Toyota is gaining new fans but that鈥檚 also why Honda people always looked at Toyota kinda weird 馃槀
 

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Two things:

1). I definitely agree that the GRC/GRY are more all around vehicles than the CTR. The CTR has always been an uncompromising beast of a machine built for one thing only-the track. In that specific application, I honestly think it will be better than the GRC in most instances, other than on specific tracks where the AWD system will give the GRC a leg up. This advantage will evaporate in lousy weather or in other settings, but I expect the CTR will be the better pure track car than the GRC.

But I imagine the GRC will be more comfortable, versatile, and easier to live with as a daily. It just depends on what you鈥檙e looking for.

2). I鈥檓 not so sure the CTR and GRC are necessarily going to eat into each other鈥檚 sales all that much. People are weirdly loyal to specific manufacturers, and in my experience Honda people are purely Honda people. The enthusiasts I know that are into Honda are pretty much exclusively into Honda and not a lot else, and it seems as though they do a good job of attracting repeat customers as a brand in general.

I鈥檓 new to the Toyota world myself, so I can鈥檛 speak from experience, but I鈥檓 not sure if they have the same cult-like following Honda does鈥ainly because they鈥檇 been out of the sporty car game for a while before their recent sea change, and Honda has always had hot versions of the Civic that people swear by.

I think the type of people that want a CTR are looking for a CTR specifically. I think the folks that are drawn to the GRC are people that want something new and different/unique. If anything I think the GRC is going to eat into the sales of the GTI/R and the Hyundai N products. I believe the CTR鈥檚 mystique is pretty full proof regardless of how good the competition gets.
We agree on point 1 but I have my own thoughts on point 2.

If COVID never happened, I鈥檇 agree with point 2. But I personally think that enthusiasts are much more likely to explore other options specifically due to shortages and high demand for cars general. There just simply isn鈥檛 enough of them to go around. I鈥檇 argue that if one doesn鈥檛 get a CTR, they wouldn鈥檛 be bummed if they had to 鈥榮ettle鈥 for a GRC of Golf R. Like, you can get a hot hatch. Any hot hatch. Or no hot hatch. That鈥檚 just today鈥檚 market.


I for one, would prefer to buy the GRC. But I wouldn鈥檛 mind 鈥榮ettling鈥 for a GRC or Golf R. They鈥檙e all top tier hot hatches. And to many people, having one of the 3 best hot hatches in the USA is good enough even if they don鈥檛 get the exact one they want due to shortages.

To add to my point, in the past 2 or so years, there have been countless buyers loyal to Toyota, Honda, and Subaru that switched to Mazda because Mazda had cars to sell. Follow the supply and that鈥檚 where the buyers will be. If supply is low all around, people tend to cast a wider net. That鈥檚 the smart thing to do.

I鈥檓 actually considering putting a deposit on a CTR as well. My idea is that whichever one arrives first is what I will keep. I鈥檇 be happy with both to be honest. I just like the GRC because it鈥檚 extra special. We鈥檒l likely never see anything like it again.
 

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We agree on point 1 but I have my own thoughts on point 2.

If COVID never happened, I鈥檇 agree with point 2. But I personally think that enthusiasts are much more likely to explore other options specifically due to shortages and high demand for cars general. There just simply isn鈥檛 enough of them to go around. I鈥檇 argue that if one doesn鈥檛 get a CTR, they wouldn鈥檛 be bummed if they had to 鈥榮ettle鈥 for a GRC of Golf R. Like, you can get a hot hatch. Any hot hatch. Or no hot hatch. That鈥檚 just today鈥檚 market.


I for one, would prefer to buy the GRC. But I wouldn鈥檛 mind 鈥榮ettling鈥 for a GRC or Golf R. They鈥檙e all top tier hot hatches. And to many people, having one of the 3 best hot hatches in the USA is good enough even if they don鈥檛 get the exact one they want due to shortages.

To add to my point, in the past 2 or so years, there have been countless buyers loyal to Toyota, Honda, and Subaru that switched to Mazda because Mazda had cars to sell. Follow the supply and that鈥檚 where the buyers will be. If supply is low all around, people tend to cast a wider net. That鈥檚 the smart thing to do.

I鈥檓 actually considering putting a deposit on a CTR as well. My idea is that whichever one arrives first is what I will keep. I鈥檇 be happy with both to be honest. I just like the GRC because it鈥檚 extra special. We鈥檒l likely never see anything like it again.
Toyota did say they鈥檙e going to build their sports cars in a similar way for now on. Lol that鈥檚 when the were talking about the GT3 race car concept.
 

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Like build each sportcar as a homologation special? Because that would be amazing.
Yeah they said the GR Yaris is the first and they鈥檙e going to try and do the same thing where they鈥檒l take a race car and reverse engineer it into a consumer product.

That GT3 concept is suppose to breed some new Toyota sports car and a Lexus sports car.

So the GR Corolla will not be the last 馃槀
 

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Yeah they said the GR Yaris is the first and they鈥檙e going to try and do the same thing where they鈥檒l take a race car and reverse engineer it into a consumer product.

That GT3 concept is suppose to breed some new Toyota sports car and a Lexus sports car.

So the GR Corolla will not be the last 馃槀
I hope so. But the push for electric cars in general sends a different message.
 
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