[Jeonsa]

Ol’ Guff released a video on the Celica. Interesting video kind of goes over some of the things we talk about.

 

[luluna]

This video nailed it for me, lol. I love the GRY and GRC mainly because it's the Celica the US never really got. If they announce a new Celica....oh boy.

 

[Jeonsa]

This video nailed it for me, lol. I love the GRY and GRC mainly because it's the Celica the US never really got. If they announce a new Celica....oh boy.

Well the GR Yaris is kind of the Celica oddly enough. That’s why I was saying along time ago what’s up with Toyota’s marketing team?

Originally since Toyota didn’t have a sports car lineup in awhile, the FRS/86 and even Supra made sense with the collab, marketing, etc.
but all of a sudden the Yaris/Corolla comes out.

They don’t make sense from a marketing standpoint anymore, just seems like a cash grab on nostalgia. There’s no point in naming a car after a 80s Corolla when you have a hot Corolla coming out. With the rally crazy GR Yaris with the marketing saying it shares barely anything with a regular Yaris, that’s a missed opportunity to call it the Celica.

but overall I’m glad Toyota is excited about sports cars again

 

[98]

Yes now especially is a great time to be a Toyota enthusiast. I have been for a long time before I knew about this Corolla I wanted a Lexus RC350 Fsport or to buy a very low milege Yaris and swap the motor out of the Celica into it.

 

[Wynorrific]

I remember before the Corolla was rumored to be the GR Hot Hatch that some people were speculating the return of the Celica

 

[98]

I think the Supra will be done soon and I don't think the 86 will be around to much longer. We may get the electric MR2 GR Corolla and maybe a Celica is coming back who knows

 

[Wynorrific]

Supra is said to leave in 2023 as BMW and Toyota split ways. GR86 I could see being around until a new gen, doubt we'd see a gen 3. The GRC could be around for quite a bit if they do intend on making it a hybrid or hydrogen, electric MR2 will be cool but I think the Celica should live on in its history instead of being brought back

 

[Jeonsa]

Supra is said to leave in 2023 as BMW and Toyota split ways. GR86 I could see being around until a new gen, doubt we'd see a gen 3. The GRC could be around for quite a bit if they do intend on making it a hybrid or hydrogen, electric MR2 will be cool but I think the Celica should live on in its history instead of being brought back

2026 but yeah the contract/partnership they had was a limited thing. suppose to be a manual and finally a GRMN.

The GR86 might not be around that long I think, with europe announcing availability for only 2 years.

BRZ was taken out of those markets with the 86 as the global model but now without that chunk of market I can’t imagine Toyota milking the model. People on the 86 forums aren’t worried but don’t realize how big of a marketplace europe in general is.

Also it didn’t seem as if Toyota was excited for the new model really. A Toyota employee that was floating around the MKV forums shared information on the Supra and the new 86/BRZ months before the reveal.

He said Toyota took a backseat in the 2nd generation development and just used Gazoo Racing drivers to change some characteristics of the drive. That’s why there was a rumor going around that Akio didn’t like how the 86 felt too similar to the BRZ. (Use to think he was full of it but a lot of stuff he said came out to be true)

BUT as always take it with a grain of salt.

 

[98]

Only gear heads like us know that when it is a fullToyota car that it will be special

 

[Jeonsa]

Only gear heads like us know that when it is a fullToyota car that it will be special

They’re mostly Toyota fans as well. Toyota’s never stack super well against competition on paper, but they perform at a high level.

Koji Sato has also said that Akio is about “feel” or the holistic experience. They always have some type of character that makes them fun and memorable. They did it with the Supra and 86 but they do have inherent features from the collab companies. The GRC will have some quirks like the RCF, IS500, old MR2s and etc

A lot of people just don’t realize that until later on.

 

[Wynorrific]

2026 but yeah the contract/partnership they had was a limited thing. suppose to be a manual and finally a GRMN.

The GR86 might not be around that long I think, with europe announcing availability for only 2 years.

BRZ was taken out of those markets with the 86 as the global model but now without that chunk of market I can’t imagine Toyota milking the model. People on the 86 forums aren’t worried but don’t realize how big of a marketplace europe in general is.

Also it didn’t seem as if Toyota was excited for the new model really. A Toyota employee that was floating around the MKV forums shared information on the Supra and the new 86/BRZ months before the reveal.

He said Toyota took a backseat in the 2nd generation development and just used Gazoo Racing drivers to change some characteristics of the drive. That’s why there was a rumor going around that Akio didn’t like how the 86 felt too similar to the BRZ. (Use to think he was full of it but a lot of stuff he said came out to be true)

BUT as always take it with a grain of salt.

GRMN Supra will be interesting to see

 

[Jeonsa]

GRMN Supra will be interesting to see

It’ll be crazy for sure. Rumor was 500+ hp

 

[Wynorrific]

They’re mostly Toyota fans as well. Toyota’s never stack super well against competition on paper, but they perform at a high level.

Koji Sato has also said that Akio is about “feel” or the holistic experience. They always have some type of character that makes them fun and memorable. They did it with the Supra and 86 but they do have inherent features from the collab companies. The GRC will have some quirks like the RCF, IS500, old MR2s and etc

A lot of people just don’t realize that until later on.

The Japanese have always been more about feel and reliability. Power is for the American companies and cornering and exotic status has always been the Euro thing. Sure Toyotas of old haven't had much power but like we've said, those that're good left lasting impressions that weren't discovered until the cars were gone

 

[98]

I had a 91 MR2 turbo and that was the best car feeling I have ever had. Way better than my 16 FRS I had

 

[Jeonsa]

The Japanese have always been more about feel and reliability. Power is for the American companies and cornering and exotic status has always been the Euro thing. Sure Toyotas of old haven't had much power but like we've said, those that're good left lasting impressions that weren't discovered until the cars were gone

Eh that’s not particularly true. Even Subaru came out and said they didn’t add power because they still had more hp than the competition. 😂 But I’m not just talking about horsepower.

With Toyotas it’s always been overlooked by competitors. Look at most of their performance options, they aren’t only down on power but aren’t as sharps as some others. RCF is seen as heavy with decent power compared to a M4, people always talked down on the RCF saying it’s old and things but early tests showed they were pretty close on the track.

Same went for the LFA in an extreme example or with the Supra, they literally have a bunch of BMW switchgear but people say it’s “too twitchy” etc etc. compared the the Corvette and things

Overall though people who get it love the sound, playfulness, different design and so on.

I would agree with you that other Japanese companies have personalities too like Subaru and even Honda but for some reason I see people hate on the GRC because it’s a Corolla then bring up the CIVIC Type R. 😂

 

[Wynorrific]

I remember when the RCF first came out it was actually the fastest shifting auto at the time or something like that.

 

[Jeonsa]

I had a 91 MR2 turbo and that was the best car feeling I have ever had. Way better than my 16 FRS I had

I really wish they used the recently canceled Yamaha Sports Ride T40 prototype they had, drop the G16 in it to make a MR2.

 

[Jeonsa]

I remember when the RCF first came out it was actually the fastest shifting auto at the time or something like that.

I almost bought one, they’re smooth at low speed, has delayed responses though but the faster you go it shifts fast. It’s weird but made it memorable for me and the sound…. Man.

 

[98]

Never heard of but that pretty cool

 

[Wynorrific]

I almost bought one, they’re smooth at low speed, has delayed responses though but the faster you go it shifts fast. It’s weird but made it memorable for me and the sound…. Man.

It was a vehicle I was looking at to replace my Lexus before I got my eyes on the GRC