[ijuswannaride]

@DHM For the Endless pads, are the part numbers EP558MP/EP559MP? Thanks.

I'm no authority on the subject, but that's what my online research points to.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Just ordered some Endless SSM plus pads and ACRE titanium brake shims to hopefully significantly reduce brake dust while not sacrificing much performance. Both front and rears is only $211 if ordered from Blackhawk Japan. Shipping to the states was an additional $64. They also sell the ACRE titanium GRY brake shims for $113, which is a bit pricey, but doesnt add much weight when shipped with the Endless brake pads and only added $2 to the shipping. So total shipping for the pads and shims was $66.

The price of the Endless pads even with the $65 shipping charges at $276 is a damn good deal though. If i were to order just the ACRE shims it would have been $113 + $18 for shipping, or if i were to order the other shims from lamspeed, it rould have been $80+$55 for shipping, so basically about $130 USD shipped for either set.

Really only worth getting the shims on Blackhawk if you order some pads as well to save on shipping.

Based on reviews ive read, the dust for the SSM plus pads is significantly reduced from stock on other makes and models.

This is the description (from the Endless website) along with ratings of initial braking, less dust, less noise, feel of pedal, abrasion resistance, and contrallability. These pads graded best in less dust, abrasion resistance, and controllability. Not listed as a track pad, but listed as a street pad for streetuse and windy roads (which is where i will be doing most of the driving anyways). Probably fine to use for occasional track use. Ill do some performance comparisons (along with dust producing conparisons) with the stock pads (as those seem to be fine for occasional track use).

If I feel as performance did not suffer from the brake pad switch, then ill use these for the occasional track days. But if I feel performance was sacrificed for less dust when compared to the stock pads, ill simply just swap back out to stock pads when going to the track.

ENDLESS OFFICIAL WEB SITE

Are the OEM shims not compatible?

 

[ijuswannaride]

OEM shims are probably physically compatible if the pad shape is the same but I presume they're made of steel. Titanium on the other hand is a poor heat conductor and will help prevent hot pads from transferring heat into the pistons.

That's interesting. Thanks for the reply!

 

[ijuswannaride]

the ACRE are 0.75mm thick, about .031"

Your numbers are a little off there. 3/4 of a millimeter is not .031", it's only 0.0295. One or the other might be correct, but not both.

 

[ijuswannaride]

That's a difference of 0.0015"
That's literally 1.5 thousandths of an inch, well within the tolerance of a set of plain digital calipers. I switched modes and took another measurement, so it may have been a hair off zero.

Yes, I can do the math. I have digital calipers, dial calipers, vernier calipers, and good micrometers from 1" to 3". For this purpose, 0.003" (0.0015 x 2) probably wouldn't be a deal breaker. But in the world I worked in for 40 years, it would be a lot. Lord willing, until the day I die, I'll remember that 1mm = 0.03937“. I should, since we lived and died by those numbers.

Edit: I lied. I forgot that I gave my vernier calipers to my son-in-law. And here is a 0.0015" feeler gauge. I just used it recently to check a head and a block on a Prius motor, so it wasn't buried too deep in the drawer of measuring instruments.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Hmm. Gonna have to retract my post above with 3-10 day shipping I was originally quoted.

They emailed me today and said 6-8 weeks. Wanted to know if I wanted to cancel my order. I told them to proceed with my order.

+1. I just ordered and got the exact same result. I'm hoping it'll arrive sooner, and that they're just trying to under promise and over deliver.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Just order from Blackhawkjapan.com. Due to the favorable Yen to USD exchange rate, quality brake pads are attractively priced when ordering from them vs US distributors.

Funny how that works sometimes. I've ordered bicycle and motorcycle stuff (including Michelin motorcycle tires) from the UK, because it's so much cheaper than buying it here in the US, even after shipping charges. It's truly a global economy.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Overnight I got a "Your order has shipped" email. My order was placed Apr 27th, so yeah, looks like under promise/overdeliver was the plan.

Heyyyyyy...I ordered on the 25th and I didn't get THAT email! Love is so unfair sometimes. 😭😭😭

 

[ijuswannaride]

Same here and mine arrived today.

😭😭😭 I want my brake pads! Waiting until I get the Endless pads installed to do a thorough wheel cleaning.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Yep. Same here. Certainly I'd like to support the local small business owner, but not when he's more than double the price of buying online. That's a substantial amount of money.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Looking forward to another report on dust levels. I bought EBC Yellow stuff and the pads are decent and dust is lower I believe, but still pretty bad.

I've had the SSM Plus on my car for a few hundred miles now, and I can definitely say the dust is substantially less than OEM. The OEMs were just so unbelievably bad about dust. This is a huge improvement. Stopping power is still excellent in my opinion.

 

[ijuswannaride]

With a few hundred miles on mine now, I can say with great confidence that the ordinary road dust is now worse than the brake dust. Totally worth the time and money to install these pads. Stopping power is not compromised at all. I can't speak to how they'd stand up to the extreme heat of track duty, but for hard road use, they're excellent.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Mine arrived today. Doubt I’ll get them insta before next week…..

You'll be glad when you do. The difference in dust is astonishing.

 

[ijuswannaride]

Braking feels a bit different, a tad less bite,

The pads will need a little time to bed into the rotors. It will improve.