Anyone else think they may never be able to buy a GRC?
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Lots of things aren’t Toyotas fault here. Supply chain issues left from the pandemic. Minerals and metals shortages. Etc. All lead to low production and long timelines. I’m sure if they could pump out more they would. Pretty much any desirable vehicle is difficult to buy at the moment
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I don't think it's just the supply chain issues which are holding back the production, did you see this article -https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a39612033/gr-corolla-production-numbers/? It looks like they're determined to make this car rare. With so many people wanting a GRC I feel like Toyota is just going to feed the ADM/Market Price Adjustments to their dealers to allow huge profits to be made due to the tremendous demand for this car.
Of course, this is just my opinion, but I feel like they're going to make it too difficult for the average person to have a chance to buy the car, much less try to get it for MSRP.
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This car might have a 5 year or more life span. At 6000 per year for cores, I'd say there will be enough to go around. But might be waiting a bit. Who knows for sure?
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I think it will be a wait, but I do feel confident that I will get the opportunity to get one if I choose to. I talked to my dealer today, and I will be given the opportunity to put a deposit down once the allocation numbers are firmed up. Of course, that doesn't guarantee a car, but I will be in the game. As I am a lifetime customer, my salesperson made it clear that it is very likely I will get a shot. Now, having said that, what is real is the demand, and the supply numbers IMO. If my dealership launches the price through the roof, I will be out. My heart will be in, but in reality, I will be out. I hope they don't get stupid.
I think it'll sit on lots where markup is 7k or more.
5k markups will get bought by some dumb kids or someone with money to spare.
MSRP will only be available to those very high on the list combined with a dealer known for doing MSRP pricing.
Majority will pay 3-7k markup, especially the ones buying in 2022, 2023, and most of 2024.
If the production span is 5 years, then 2024-2026 will be the time to get these cars at MSRP or somewhat of a discount
5k markups will get bought by some dumb kids or someone with money to spare.
MSRP will only be available to those very high on the list combined with a dealer known for doing MSRP pricing.
Majority will pay 3-7k markup, especially the ones buying in 2022, 2023, and most of 2024.
If the production span is 5 years, then 2024-2026 will be the time to get these cars at MSRP or somewhat of a discount
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I remember hearing or reading that too. Something like 20,000 up to 75,000 or something like that? For the gr yaris that is?
I'll be waiting until I get one but the bottom line is that I want one to drive and enjoy more than anything else. If I never got one I would be very sad but I feel confident that I'll get one within the first year. My 230hp 10th Gen 2009 Corolla S Turbo 5MT and 180hp 11th Gen Corolla iM 6MT look forward to adding a 300hp 12th Gen GR Corolla to the family. 😍
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I'm pretty sure if there's demand Toyota will build more, they want to sell as many as they can while making money. ADM doesn't make Toyota any more money, just the dealer. Theres really is serious supply chain issues. We see it at my workplace. Toyota couldn't even get enough to build the numbers they wanted for a Launch Edition.
They said they could pump out more to meet demand but they're making a small number to make it a special car(like the GRY but less special)
6000 for the first year and 8000 for every other year but I'm sure they'll pump it up to 10000 eventually
Everyone and their uncle says they are going to buy one... but when rubber hits the road, there will be a lot of people that will remove themselves from the buying pool.
A number of people simply won't be able to afford it. I wanted a GD WRX so much it hurt, but my enthusiasm didn't change the fact that I was still in college and $15k was about the limit of what I could afford at the time. By the time I was ready to buy, in 2006, there were different options on the market and gas had shot up by almost 3x what it was in 2001. Everyone was blown away that I chose a GTI when it came time to spend my money despite being that guy that was crazy about Subarus. I also have a feeling there is a LOT of wishful thinking that this car will start at $32k and top out at $37k. The number of people interested will change drastically if/when this starts at $37k.
A number of people will have life happen to them. They'll get married, have a kid, want to start a business, etc that will leave them wanting the car, but it just isn't a good fit for their life at that time. I followed the FR-S crazy close from the time the concept was shown in 2009 until the release in 2012. Timing was wrong because my wife and I were trying to have our first child. I eventually bought a new 2015 when my daughter turned 2 and could go front facing, but my enthusiasm for the car didn't change that it didn't make sense for me at launch timing.
A number of people will see the instrumented tests and realize the performance numbers are very similar to a WRX, Civic Type R, chipped GTI, STI, etc. While there are a lot of cool things that Toyota did to this car, there are a lot of buyers out there that simply can't handle not having the bragging rights of the fastest car in a segment. This will probably do well in the segment performance wise, but it won't be a world beater. There is going to be more speed available for less money.
A number of people will drop out because they are contrarians. If everyone else likes it, it must be bad. Or it's too mainstream in the enthusiast circles. Or the 3 cylinder isn't mainstream enough! People come up with all sorts of reasons to not like a car and, I assure you, they will be vocal about it! Peer pressure is a thing.
There's no reason to stress about it now. We don't have pricing, we don't know what availability is going to be like in the fall, and we've been subjecting ourselves to an echo chamber of tons of people swearing they are going to buy it without even having sat in the standard Corolla HB. On paper, it looks great, but we have a lot of claims of people buying without actually having any driver impressions or pricing.
A number of people simply won't be able to afford it. I wanted a GD WRX so much it hurt, but my enthusiasm didn't change the fact that I was still in college and $15k was about the limit of what I could afford at the time. By the time I was ready to buy, in 2006, there were different options on the market and gas had shot up by almost 3x what it was in 2001. Everyone was blown away that I chose a GTI when it came time to spend my money despite being that guy that was crazy about Subarus. I also have a feeling there is a LOT of wishful thinking that this car will start at $32k and top out at $37k. The number of people interested will change drastically if/when this starts at $37k.
A number of people will have life happen to them. They'll get married, have a kid, want to start a business, etc that will leave them wanting the car, but it just isn't a good fit for their life at that time. I followed the FR-S crazy close from the time the concept was shown in 2009 until the release in 2012. Timing was wrong because my wife and I were trying to have our first child. I eventually bought a new 2015 when my daughter turned 2 and could go front facing, but my enthusiasm for the car didn't change that it didn't make sense for me at launch timing.
A number of people will see the instrumented tests and realize the performance numbers are very similar to a WRX, Civic Type R, chipped GTI, STI, etc. While there are a lot of cool things that Toyota did to this car, there are a lot of buyers out there that simply can't handle not having the bragging rights of the fastest car in a segment. This will probably do well in the segment performance wise, but it won't be a world beater. There is going to be more speed available for less money.
A number of people will drop out because they are contrarians. If everyone else likes it, it must be bad. Or it's too mainstream in the enthusiast circles. Or the 3 cylinder isn't mainstream enough! People come up with all sorts of reasons to not like a car and, I assure you, they will be vocal about it! Peer pressure is a thing.
There's no reason to stress about it now. We don't have pricing, we don't know what availability is going to be like in the fall, and we've been subjecting ourselves to an echo chamber of tons of people swearing they are going to buy it without even having sat in the standard Corolla HB. On paper, it looks great, but we have a lot of claims of people buying without actually having any driver impressions or pricing.
This. @Jeonsa have been saying that we will lose a lot of interested people once pricing is announced
I think you're more worried about not getting one right away. You'll be able to get a new one with some footwork after the 1st year or 2. Also, keep in mind that people get bored easily, so I wouldn't be surprised if low mileage used GRCs start popping up within a year of the GRC dropping at dealers.
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Don't be too pessimistic. I have been playing this allocation/demand game with Porsche for years and Toyota and Porsche know their markets. The Porsche buyer is much older and is in a much higher income bracket. That buyer is also not interested in Corollas or Honda Type r's even though they could easily pay ADMs. The typical Corolla buyer is much younger, early in his/her career and can only afford cars at a certain price point which Toyota's marketing will identify and price the cars accordingly. You may not get a car in the first round of allocations but stay after it and you will get one. Right now based on this forum it may look like everyone wants this car...not the case at all.
So true. This forum is an echo chamber for everyone that wants a GRC. And that's fine. But spend too much time in here and you'll start to think that literally everyone in the world wants a GRC and only a GRC.
The CTR will be officially announced soon, and so will the new Z. Those 2 cars can and will easily sway would be GRC buyers.
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I understand your frustration and anxiety, which I feel too. However, it is early days. The best we can all do is put ourselves in a position where we have a chance.
Contact dealers, get yourself on lists, if possible put down a deposit. Beyond that, be patient and wait for more information.
I have full confidence you will get one. Hang in there bud. I'm there with you.
We're all in this together
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